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06-23-2005, 10:19 AM
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One line doesn\'t fit all...
Evan played this hand against me in Vegas, and I think it illustrates a weakness in a lot of online multitablers' games.
Evan is BB, I am SB. It's folded to an erratic and terrible player on the button who openlimps. He would do this with any hand he would play, which is just about any two cards. I complete, Evan raises QJs, and we both call. The flop is 356r. I bet. Evan calls. Crappy guy calls. The turn is a rainbow-completing Jack. I bet. Evan raises. I 3-bet. Evan folds. Thoughts? scrub 
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#4
06-23-2005, 10:27 AM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
I think calling the first turn bet is an option to consider for Evan although I like the raise. I think he should call your 3-bet...since you know there are a lot of not so strong hands Evan may raise and consider folding here.
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#6
06-23-2005, 10:50 AM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
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Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] Looks like he was trying for a free showdown and you knew he was going for it blah blah blah. Against a good aggressive player I don't like the free showdown play as much since it opens us up to getting outplayed. I think calling down is fine. I am also inclined to say that he should raise the flop to get the button out.... but I think he is getting 3-bet here somewhere around 100% of the time and that board is not the best.
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#7
06-23-2005, 10:57 AM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
Evan used to do this a lot. I exploited it a lot when we played a HU match. I don't know how often he still does it, or if he's done it to you often enough that you can exploit it, but it's one of those he-knows-I-know-he-knows sort of things, and I don't think bad player is holding anything that's a terrible threat to your equity that you need to raise out, so I'd probably just call.
Man, that was a convoluted sentence. Now I really want to hear why Joe Tall raises this flop. Rob
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#8
06-23-2005, 11:01 AM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
I don't understand Evan's fold.
(Even if he's behind, he still has decent odds to draw to improve - not to mention he may have the best hand). Adam Adam
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#9
06-23-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
That's a weird fold, especially against an aggressive player.
I would have called and check called for sure, maybe even capped it (if four bet cap) when I turned top pair if I knew you were an aggressive SOB.
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#10
06-23-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: One line doesn\'t fit all...
my thought is that is a weak fold. i don't know his read on you, but reading Entity's post this seems to be a tendency in his game, so play it for what its worth. your line seems to have been player specific and a great iso move for the goofball player, as you are now HU. so you think alot of posters/online players raise/fold to the 3 bet too often(is this specific to the free showdown play, or just a statement in general?). i can agree with this based on what i have witnessed, coincidentally enough, i don't recall seeing it happen live but maybe once or twice(in obvious bluff attempts).
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