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#11
06-23-2005, 09:51 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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To me the fact that someone posted UTG makes the likelihood that he's on a pure bluff or betting the K/Q of hearts here somewhat higher. [/ QUOTE ] So you're disagreeing with this statement? 
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#13
06-23-2005, 09:56 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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[ QUOTE ] To me the fact that someone posted UTG makes the likelihood that he's on a pure bluff or betting the K/Q of hearts here somewhat higher. [/ QUOTE ] So you're disagreeing with this statement? [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] I think you're saying that there are more 1 heart hand combinations than 2 heart cominations (especially given all the hearts you're staring at, and that I agree with. However, *a pure bluff* I don't see how we can say this without some knowledge of the player, and I was saying that if we're getting this by the simple fact that he posted UTG, this isn't good. However, looking over your statement again, I see this isn't what you were saying.
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#14
06-23-2005, 09:57 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
Sorry that was a bit confusing. What I meant was "if he checks to me on the turn after I raise the flop, I would bet." A raise on the turn here (without a raise on the flop) is a bad play, as there is virtually 0 fold equity against an unknown.
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#15
06-23-2005, 10:01 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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[ QUOTE ] would change my plan and go ahead and bet on the turn after the 9 hits [/ QUOTE ] The turn was bet by villain. Do you mean *raise* the turn? [/ QUOTE ] i guess he ment raise and i agree with his statements. a flop raise for a free card looks fine. i like a raise on the turn too because he might be bluffing with the best hand or he might throw away a weak ace. this play would look like a slow play of a flush or set. the problem is, that he wont throw away a K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and at least the first one would be the best hand. but i think to pros outweight the cons. *edit* i didn`t understand jgorham's post correctly, but i still agree with the statement he didn't make [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] anyway, i like a raise on the turn in the given situation and i like a bet on the turn after a raise on the flop (but only because we found some more outs on the turn and we don't need as much fold equity as if we would have found a blanc on the turn).
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#16
06-23-2005, 10:03 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
Yeah...I don't think I was reading too much into the post. Just saying that against anyone there's always some chance they're bluffing or betting a draw and it seems this chance is a little higher given the post. That's all. I don't disagree with your point though. When I meet you at the Casino Saturday you'll very likely see me not only post UTG but also live straddle. The chances I'm playing worse than normal postflop are somewhat higher. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But I won't be playing nearly as badly as most at the table will probably assume. So we're both right. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#17
06-23-2005, 10:05 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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Yeah...I don't think I was reading too much into the post. Just saying that against anyone there's always some chance they're bluffing or betting a draw and it seems this chance is a little higher given the post. That's all. I don't disagree with your point though. When I meet you at the Casino Saturday you'll very likely see me not only post UTG but also live straddle. The chances I'm playing worse than normal postflop are somewhat higher. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But I won't be playing nearly as badly as most at the table will probably assume. So we're both right. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] If you live straddle, I'll throw my cards at you! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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#18
06-23-2005, 10:05 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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he might be bluffing with the best hand [/ QUOTE ] i didn't know the betting the best hand was a bluff. i assume you mean he is trying to represent the made flush. you know what they say about assuming things. i call/fold unimproved.
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#19
06-23-2005, 10:11 AM
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Re: QJo isolation hand
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[ QUOTE ] he might be bluffing with the best hand [/ QUOTE ] i didn't know the betting the best hand was a bluff. i assume you mean he is trying to represent the made flush. you know what they say about assuming things. i call/fold unimproved. [/ QUOTE ] a bet or raise with the best hand can very well be a bluff. according to HEFAP a bluff is "a bet with a hand you do not think is the best hand". if villain had a king high, he bet for a bluff with the best hand.
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