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06-22-2005, 08:45 AM
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Should this hand be declared dead?
Last week I was playing 100-200 (about $15-30) in one of the swedish casinos. This hand came up:
I have just folded preflop and begun talking to a waitress about my food and drink order, when we're finished the next hand has been dealt, as well as the flop and the action has passed me and I still have my new hand lying in front of me, not covered in any way. I tell the dealer I haven't had the chance to act yet and he looks confused and says my hand is dead. I call for the floor and he rules that my hand is dead but would have been live had I objected before the second check on the flop, the rules said that if I had acted before the second guy (before me) checked on the flop the would have dealt a new flop. So what about preflop? I got the flop free but that was "not an issue". I spoke to the floormanager a few hands later and asked to see the rulebook where I could find this in writing since it seemed to me this was something he came up with. I was told there is a rulebook but it isn't allowed for the players to read it. WTF? Not being allowed to read the house rules is probably the most ridiculous thing that has occured to me in a cardroom yet but what do you think about this ruling? Welcome to Sweden everyone! 
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#6
06-22-2005, 11:52 AM
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Re: Should this hand be declared dead?
Your hand has to be dead. There has been action behind you such that all other players either called, raised or folded pre-flop and the flop was dealt and there has been action on the flop. You can't now look at your hand and decide you want to play.
A rulebook that the players cannot see is not a rulebook.
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#7
06-22-2005, 12:50 PM
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Re: Should this hand be declared dead?
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Miss deal? [/ QUOTE ] How is declaring a misdeal any more fair than calling his hand dead? Action has taken place behind him and all around him for two streets now. Obviously, calling back all action and restarting the hand would be absurd. Allowing him to play from this point forward would be absurd. Let the players who didn't take two streets to realize that a hand was going on to finish the hand and declare the guy's hand dead. Big deal. Next hand. I really don't get why anyone would make a big deal out of this. Obviously you can't just enter the pot on the turn, so either your hand is going to be dead or it's going to be a misdeal. Either you, you gain nothing. Let the game continue to run smoothly and don't protest and call the floor over and grind the game to a stop. To the OP: Why the hell didn't you just laugh at yourself and the fact that you somehow managed to let two whole streets of action pass you by before you remembered you had cards sitting in front of you to go by, and then muck your hand and let everybody finish playing poker? And going so far as to demanding to see the rulebook? What exactly was the decision you thought you should've gotten??? Ugh. GoT
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#8
06-22-2005, 12:56 PM
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Re: Should this hand be declared dead?
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I was told there is a rulebook but it isn't allowed for the players to read it. WTF? [/ QUOTE ] This is a very good policy that used to be standard. A written set of rules should be an internal guide because the only time someone wants to see one is if they want to play lawyer and argue when the floorperson has ruled in the interest of fairness (these guys that want to argue about the rules alway gloss over the part that says the floorman my rule contrary to a strict interpretation of the rules if that is not in the interest of fairness). As far as the hand in question you have a responsibility to protect you action. You didn't mention what position you were in but probably some players acted behind you preflop, the dealer acted by flopping and players have begun to act on the flop.
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#9
06-22-2005, 01:34 PM
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Re: Should this hand be declared dead?
to agree with Randy though it sucks it seems like enough action acted after you that it would be declared dead. Though I think allowing you to check wouldn't be out of thequestion here.
I am guessing you were the BB and your hand was checked in?
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#10
06-22-2005, 02:12 PM
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Re: Should this hand be declared dead?
Well first of all, there most certainly should not be a misdeal. There has already been significant action and the hand will play to it's conclusion whether you are in it or not.
Same goes for the flop. If the flops is dealt prematurely you could alert them and it would be redealt. But people have already acted on this round as well. It is your repsonsiblity to protect your hand. You said it was laying in front of you uncovered. Did the dealer think you mucked it? If he thought you mucked and it caused people behind you to act that would kill your hand too. Anyway, bye bye hand.
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