This is me getting lost and turning into a LP.

Grease · #1 06-22-2005, 01:34 AM

Both players are very LA-P. The button is more straight-foward, while the other loves to c/r all sorts of hands. What do I do?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls, Button caps, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (14 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Brunger · #2 06-22-2005, 01:41 AM

If the guy was loose and crazy enough that it was right to 3-bet with KQ oop then I think that the hand was played fine.

chux52 · #3 06-22-2005, 01:43 AM

i play it the same

edit: didnt notice the pf 3bet.. if button raises too much this shouldnt be too bad

JacksonTens · #4 06-22-2005, 01:48 AM

I dont 3-bet KQo out of the blinds, your giving him the chance to cap, plus your out of position for the rest of the hand. Also your OESD odds got blown away on the turn, which would of led me to fold considering there was a flush draw on board already.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Grease · #5 06-22-2005, 01:51 AM

The guy was 60/25. I'm 3-betting KQo every day and twice on Sunday.

chux52 · #6 06-22-2005, 01:53 AM

arent the pot odds still ok on the turn?

JacksonTens · #7 06-22-2005, 02:07 AM

Fair enough to use those stat lines, but as a B&M player I want to have seen him play garbadge before I believe he plays garbadge. You can't just go off statistics, they're just numbers. What if he's in a different mood today, what if he just bought SSHE and he's changed his style. Poker has so many variables that cannot be calculated using mere PF stats. But hey, each to their own. But I know my stats would be absolutely no indication of the way I play, considering my lil bro plays in my place half the time. It'd be very interesting if someone tracked my play and attempted to use its alleged 'reads' to beat me.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Grease · #8 06-22-2005, 02:12 AM

Yeah, but he's playing subpar hands and raising 1/4 of everything he gets. LA may not be perfect, but it is nearing correct.

matt42s · #9 06-22-2005, 02:41 AM

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arent the pot odds still ok on the turn?

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It depends [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
you're getting 5.5-1 8 oesd + 3 ocard outs - 2 spades makes a textbook count of 9, needing 4.1-1 So by the book, yes, pot odds are fine.
But if you don't like overcards you may value it at 6 outs and be looking for 7-1.
Personally, with the reads and only 3 way preflop, i value this turn at around 10-11 outs. Rethink - might discount to 8 or 9 since we're not closing the turn, it's still a call.
And a value bet on the river BTW.

SmileyEH · #10 06-22-2005, 02:42 AM

This looks pretty standard. Not 3betting KQ preflop against most players would be bad btw.

-SmileyEH