$55: Finally broke even... 649 SnGs + deposit bonus => Lessons learned

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That's why I want your babies

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Oh yeah, well my $33 ROI is double my $22 ROI. Ship it!

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My 100s ROI is 5 times my 50s ROI [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I'm sure its sustainable [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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I have another strategy when I am running bad at the 22s. If I lose my first set, I move down to 11s. I usually run much better there (and if I don't the losses aren't that big). When back to even I try another set of 22s.

While I am giving up some money in the long run (but with my 11s ROI close double my 22s ROI not all that much) while , I don't have those horrible $500 losing days that take a four-five days to bounce back from.


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i tried moving to the $33's. 9 OTM's in the 1st 9 i played.

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I'm glad to see you have worked your way out of that funk, a 649 SNG losing streak is pretty harsh. I just hope I never have to deal with that however I know I probably will one day.

I think my most common note in my spreadsheet from busting out is is "OMFG I'M A F***ING MORON LSDFJSL(*RWHR"

[Irieguy]

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Why couldn't my 1st bad streak be small like any other normal person? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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This is a common psychological poison. Do you really think that "normal people" have smaller downswings than you?

Do not assume this role. My bankrolls are going to drop 50 buy-ins and 500BB at some point before 2006. I struggle to be at peace with this statistical fact. A "normal" break-even player is likely to see much worse if they play enough.

Curtains is right about learning to play after you lose. The first step is to avoid the belief that you don't deserve whatever is happening... or that you are living an abnormal (statistical) existence.

Irieguy

[iMsoLucky0]

You need to learn to not even pay attention to if you are "up" or "down" in a certain day. Trust me, it helps.

[jah0550]

I know exactly what you mean. I am in the biggest downswing of my life. I had been playing winning poker at the 30s and 50s for about 2 years, but over the past 3 weeks, I have been running really bad.
Over my last 300 SNGs:
ITM: 12%
ROI: -9.5%
Avg finish: 5.6

I've been taking tons of 4ths and 3rds. Has that been your problem too? I only have 8 wins in my last 300. Cold cards, bad beats, ect...I have been playing the same way over the past 2 years. But lately, it seems that everytime i go all-in, i am expecting to lose, so 2 and 3 outers dont even bother me anymore.

My solution on how to get out of the rut is to just take a few days off. Let those bad beats and crap cards get out of your head. Come back a few days later with a clean slate.(At least I am hoping that will work)

gg

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1) If on a losing streak, just start with 1 set that day. if that set is profitable, then start another set. if not, do something else, wake up next morning and try again.

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I have another strategy when I am running bad at the 22s. If I lose my first set, I move down to 11s. I usually run much better there (and if I don't the losses aren't that big). When back to even I try another set of 22s.

While I am giving up some money in the long run (but with my 11s ROI close double my 22s ROI not all that much) while , I don't have those horrible $500 losing days that take a four-five days to bounce back from.

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3) Write down results of how you lost each SnG.

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I think this is a horrible idea and is just a giant pacifier. Of course you are going to conclude based on that sample that you have tonnes of bad luck.

If you don't write down the hands every time you get the money in the middle, it is worthless for anything.

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I write down every time I suck out or get sucked out on, or if the game ends in any other way than the best hand going in winning. That basically keeps all the ground covered.

It's very helpful. Sometimes when you go on a long downswing you can see how well you've been doing prior, and it puts things into perspective, which is much harder to do by relying on perfect memory and a flawless ability to keep things in perspective. I let a notepad file keep my memory and perspective for me, or at least supplement it.

It's also helpful when I notice a huge run of being sucked-out on and then see that I survived my fair share of suck-outs recently too, and even did some sucking out myself. Recent memories always exert disproportionate influence; that's natural, and it's good to have a corrective handy that's as simple as a piece of paper. Having a personally flawless psychology is a good goal, but not a real tool most of us can pull out for daily use.

More perspective is always better than less. You can get a lot of grounding and perspective in a quick glance over records that make clear the difference between what you're feeling and what you should be feeling.

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Although your strategies are good now, its probably important to learn to play after losing. I don't like it but I know that itll most likely cost me a lot of money every year if I stop whenever Im down. Focus on improving your play after losing because honestly you are going to lose a lot no matter who you are. Of course also focus on being a winning player instead of a breakeven one [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I will have to find the post where I said this. I think I was critisized for saying it, but its true. Its very - EV to not learn how to just suck it up and play without being on tilt or even letting a 30 buy in down swing touch your mentality.

I am proud to say that I am almost there. I still get a little pissy after a 200 break even streak, but I just recently plowed through a 30 buy in drop at the 55s and it came at a bad time for me too. It felt awesome to have the strength to pull through it without losing a wink of sleep.

Don't sweat it though, the best way to learn mental toughness is through experience. A painfull, suffering, horrible experience.

Enjoy

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Well said.

[J-Lo]

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You need to learn to not even pay attention to if you are "up" or "down" in a certain day. Trust me, it helps.

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I've even gone so far as to "black out" my cashier window. You can edit the file in party./empire images folder. now when i click on cashier i can't see how much is in my account. To check how much i have in there, i go join a SNG but don't click on the chekc box. There's where i see my balance, and try and avoid looking at it when joining SNG's. I fanyone needs further clarification PM me, or ask in this thread.