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Old 06-19-2005, 02:32 PM
madscout madscout is offline
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

In hindsight I agree with all the responses here. I wanted see if my feelings were swayed by the results and it appears they were. Button had AK. <shrugs>

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Old 06-19-2005, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

First of all, I would lead the flop.

I would call the river. It looks like Button had either AK and was going for a free card on the flop or has an overpair (maybe JJ). CO is obviously a donkey and the Button probably knows this and may be trying to force you out of the pot. I think Button will show you AA, KK, or JJ here greater than 10% of the time.
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Old 06-19-2005, 02:57 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

you think he raise any AK on the flop ?

raise the flop btw
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Old 06-19-2005, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

I don't want to be harsh on you, but folding this is criminal. And if you have to ask a question like this, maybe you shouldn't play as high as $5-$10
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Old 06-19-2005, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

Check/raise the turn. What possibly has you beat? A turned straight? Doubt it, and even then you still have redraw outs on the river and will probably be able to get an extra bet when he thinks he has the best hand with his straight.

Raise the river, same reason as before. You'll have the best hand enough of the time.

Edit: Actually nevermind, just check/call the river. Can't fold, pot's too big.
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Old 06-19-2005, 03:21 PM
ihardlyknowher ihardlyknowher is offline
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

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Raise the river, same reason as before. You'll have the best hand enough of the time.

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For this to be true you would need to be best more than 33% of the time if you get 2 callers or more than 50% of the time if you get one caller. Given the previous betting rounds, a raise here is excess action IMO.
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Old 06-19-2005, 04:08 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

your call on flop was horrible. This is an action flop. especially considering the preflop action. you especially cant give AK a cheap card especially if he has AKh. Im not sure but u might have cost yourself the ot by the way u played it
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Old 06-19-2005, 08:15 PM
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Default Re: Who folds this river? QQ top set

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your call on flop was horrible. This is an action flop. especially considering the preflop action. you especially cant give AK a cheap card especially if he has AKh. Im not sure but u might have cost yourself the ot by the way u played it

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My plan was to 3-bet / cap the flop when (if) it came back around, and if not, I'd be able to raise on the turn to better protect my hand (ala HEPFAP). Raising on the flop folds AK (suited in hearts or not) like never.
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Old 06-19-2005, 08:18 PM
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I don't want to be harsh on you, but folding this is criminal. And if you have to ask a question like this, maybe you shouldn't play as high as $5-$10

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Thank you for your honesty. I agree now that this fold was indeed criminal.

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