TT in trouble?

mike l. · #1 06-18-2005, 01:56 AM

40-80 commerce, young guy who's been playing reasonably and sees me as reasonable and tight as well at the moment raises utg, i 3 bet w/ TT. blinds fold, he calls.

the flop is JcTs5d. he bets, i raise, he calls.

the turn is Ad. he bets, i raise, he calls.

the river is Qh. he bets, i...?

flawless_victory · #2 06-18-2005, 01:59 AM

id prob pay him off to see what suits his AK are.

SinCityGuy · #3 06-18-2005, 02:48 AM

Tommy Angelo would fold and save $80. I would waste the $80 and call.

elindauer · #4 06-18-2005, 04:22 AM

Can you fold? I don't think so. Maybe he's betting AQ or QJ in one of those I'm-going-to-call-so-I-may-as-well-bet moves.

Can you raise? Hmmm... does he really think you'll fold to this bet? I don't think so. It looks likely that he has the king.

So, that just leaves one option.

Good luck.
Eric

WillyTrailer · #5 06-18-2005, 04:56 AM

I'd surely make this call.

Which hands does villain raise with UTG and then not cap your 3 bet with.
He probably caps AA, KK, QQ, and maybe AKs and maybe AKo, no?
Does he raise UTG with KQs? Maybe, but he's not stopping on the turn if that's what he has. So that one's out.

Ok, now imagine he respects your three bet enough to not cap any of the AK hands. Is he going to bet out on this flop with AK if he gave you that much respect preflop???

If you're not calling solely for fear of the straight then I don't like it that much. I think he bets anything he's calling here since there is a slight chance of picking up the pot and it's an easy fold to a raise if he doesn't have a K.

I call, but I'm not used to such high stakes and don't know exactly how the action would go. (also, I think you likely see a lot more action from JJ somewhere in the hand)

Edit: on second thought, what could he possibly think he beats in order to be betting into you? weird hand.

-WT

Senor Choppy · #6 06-18-2005, 05:04 AM

easy call.

Mikey · #7 06-18-2005, 05:12 AM

this looks to me like AK.

He's making the obligatory bet and he makes the call

On the turn he hits his Ace he makes his bet is raised and is now caught up emotionally in the hand and doesn't care what you have, he's playing his hand, all hand reading for him is lost, all he see's is top pair top kicker and now he has a gutshot for the Queen.

On the river is a Queen. He hits his hand and bets.

I'd be very surprised if he has any other holding after being raised 2 times on the board.

On the river is where I would pause and then begin to engage in dialouge.

Lawrence Ng · #8 06-18-2005, 07:55 AM

I fold, but that's just me.

Lawrence

Apocalypse · #9 06-18-2005, 09:04 AM

you'd bet if checked to right? If i had any read as a solid 40-80 player on you i'd crse your valuebetting ass with my king, hoping you can't let go. In that case him betting out would more or less seem like a weaker hand like 2pair using the obvious straight to protect his doubtful valuebet against a raise. And that would mean you have an option to... raise? The same obvious straight would of course save you from being 3-bet by any hand that beats you that isn't a straight. It's all based on an if-situation depending the read you got, but its just to show theres too little info to state this is an 'easy call'. Folding seems absurd

Luke · #10 06-18-2005, 12:21 PM

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Tight like folding for one bet in huge pot after a ton of headsup action? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

This hand is a close one and the factor that sways it to a call for me is that you believe the table is perceiving you as tight at the moment and this guy could be making this play with a bunch of Ax hands (AK too of course).

And if you lose the pot you can always just go pick off of one of Tommy's fruit plates.

Luke