Baseball Scoring Question

[2planka]

I think I know the answer to this, but guys on my baseball team are giving me grief.

This occurred in an MSBL game this weekend.

Nobody out, man on third. Tie game. 8th inning.

Batter lays down a suicide squeeze bunt, which is fielded by the third baseman, who throws to the plate. Runner from third beats the throw and is called safe.

As the official scorer, how do you record this in the book?

My thoughts in white:

<font color="white"> Sacrifice, fielder's choice, RBI, no at bat. The guy who laid down the bunt has been chirping at me all week to give him credit for a hit. I'm not budging because I'm right. </font>

[Shajen]

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Sacrifice, fielder's choice, RBI, no at bat. The guy who laid down the bunt has been chirping at me all week to give him credit for a hit. I'm not budging because I'm right.

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Yes, you are.

[steelcmg]

I dont think its a hit but he would get credit for the rbi


Which makes u right

[RogerZBT]

I think sacrifice + RBI. No FC neccesary.

[Crveballin]

Its an 0-0 with RBI. A fielders choice would be 0-1. That being said, he doesnt get a hit but he gets an RBI.

[2planka]

I think it has to be a sac with a FC though to account for the batter-runner on first. He is not charged with an at bat because of the sac, but he's on first because of the FC. The RBI is not in question. It's how he got to first. The player is saying the only way he reached first safely can be because of an error (which would still be a sac and no AB) or a hit. I disagree.

The example I used was this: Runner on first breaks for second on the pitch. Batter hits a high chopper that is fielded by the pitcher. Pitcher fields the ball cleanly and throws to second, but the runner beats the throw and everyone is safe. This is simply a fielder's choice. No hit, no error. No hit because the batter would have been out had the fielder chosen to throw to first. No error because the play was clean. In this example, the batter is charged with an AB.

[RogerZBT]

You are correct that you have to add a notation that the third basemen threw home to account for the runner on first, but it wouldn't be scored as a fielder's choice.

[Crveballin]

Linky

Section 10.09 (b) Score a sacrifice bunt when, before two are out, the fielders handle a bunted ball without error in an unsuccessful attempt to put out a preceding runner advancing one base. EXCEPTION: When an attempt to turn a bunt into a putout of a preceding runner fails, and in the scorer's judgment perfect play would not have put out the batter at first base, the batter shall be credited with a one base hit and not a sacrifice.

Regardless, if he would not have been safe at first had the fielder thrown to first, it is still considered a sac since the runner scored. There is no need to charge the batter with a FC which is considered 0-1 in the book.

In this instance he is not hitting for a base hit. He is bunting to score the runner and therefore its a sac not a hit.

[2planka]

So SAC (5-2) RBI is the correct scoring. Got it.

It's semantics.. the 5-2 is the fielder's choice. The SAC means he is not charged with an AB, regardless.

[Crveballin]

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So SAC (5-2) RBI is the correct scoring. Got it.

It's semantics.. the 5-2 is the fielder's choice. The SAC means he is not charged with an AB, regardless.

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Correct