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View Poll Results: If yes, for what reason?
Look good => Feel good => Play good 28 28.87%
Make yourself as comfotable as possible 55 56.70%
If I wear the same clothes as the pros I will do as well as them 8 8.25%
Other 6 6.19%
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Old 06-15-2005, 03:13 PM
mdob mdob is offline
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Default Re: To Peel or not to Peel

Fold. We have 5 outs to two-pair/trips and let's say 1 out for the back-door flush. We need 6.8-1 to call and we're not getting it. This is almost the best case scenario. The chance of us having the best hand now is pretty slim with a mid-position bet and a call and I'm assuming our hand is good if we hit the Q or 3. If it's not, we have big reverse-implied odds. If it is, we only have good implied odds against 78.
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Old 06-15-2005, 03:29 PM
Justin A Justin A is offline
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Default Re: To Peel or not to Peel

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I'd give myself 5 solid outs, plus with this board you may currently have the best hand. You have odds to peel.

Incidentally, I would have bet out on this flop.

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I would have with one less limper. This pot size showed up because of three limpers.
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Old 06-15-2005, 03:49 PM
Pinlifter Pinlifter is offline
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Default I voted no.....

with my money at the table and here in the pole. I knew it was close so I decided to post it.

1. There is a slim chance my Q and 3 outs are tainted(i.e. one of my opponents limped with A3 or Q8).
2. I can make my hand and still be outdrawn.
3. My backdoor flush draw is not to the nuts.

At best I got 5.5 outs and without reads(it was my first hand at the table) I have no gaurantee implied odds will carry me to profitability.

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Old 06-15-2005, 03:59 PM
swatkaizen swatkaizen is offline
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Default Re: I voted no.....

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1. There is a slim chance my Q and 3 outs are tainted(i.e. one of my opponents limped with A3 or Q8).

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I mentioned this before, but isn't at least one of your opponent's betting pattern consistent with 77 or 88? To which your 3 Qs and 2 3s are drawing dead. You should discount for this, too. Am I missing something?

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Old 06-15-2005, 04:11 PM
ihardlyknowher ihardlyknowher is offline
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Default Re: To Peel or not to Peel

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We have 5 outs to two-pair/trips and let's say 1 out for the back-door flush. We need 6.8-1 to call and we're not getting it.

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We are getting 6.5:1 pot odds, you don't believe in 0.15BBs of implied odds here?
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Old 06-15-2005, 04:12 PM
Pinlifter Pinlifter is offline
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Default Re: I voted no.....

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I mentioned this before, but isn't at least one of your opponent's betting pattern consistent with 77 or 88? To which your 3 Qs and 2 3s are drawing dead. You should discount for this, too. Am I missing something?

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Don't forget 33.

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Old 06-15-2005, 09:40 PM
Pinlifter Pinlifter is offline
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Default Bump

for the sake of the night crowd
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Old 06-15-2005, 09:44 PM
damaniac damaniac is offline
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Default Re: I voted no.....

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1. There is a slim chance my Q and 3 outs are tainted(i.e. one of my opponents limped with A3 or Q8).

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I mentioned this before, but isn't at least one of your opponent's betting pattern consistent with 77 or 88? To which your 3 Qs and 2 3s are drawing dead. You should discount for this, too. Am I missing something?

-k

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Am I missing something? How can you put someone on a set given the action? It's possible, however there is absolutely no reason to fear it at this point in the hand.
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