AK hits in an out of control pot

[Dave D]

Yeah, even having TPTK with that many people in the pot is pretty vulnerable. I'd be raising as much as possible on all streets to thin the field.

[damaniac]

I think he means that raising to protect on the flop (which you said one of the players should have done) is nowhere near possible, given the pot size.

[DCWildcat]

Agreed. There's no way we can protect the pot here, but value value value! Equity edge! Push it!

[sweetjazz]

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I think he means that raising to protect on the flop (which you said one of the players should have done) is nowhere near possible, given the pot size.

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Bingo. The wait-for-the-turn-raise suggests to me that UTG has AA, KK, AK, KQ, or KJs. That makes 3-betting the turn with AK a good play.

[damaniac]

He might. This is where I suck at reading people. I don't know if they are smart enough to know when to wait for the turn with a good but vulnerable hand to protect, or if they are just slowplaying a monster. A lot of good TAGs wouldn't wait and just plug away, even in situations where one should wait. See, if only people played smarter and better, I could read them better and win more. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[sweetjazz]

The pot is big enough that you 3-bet even though you aren't positive that UTG knows to wait for the turn to raise with vulnerable hands. Besides, the only other monsters that UTG can reasonably have, given his PF raise are TT (very possible, though like KK, he'd possibly raise on the flop here) or KTs.

[damaniac]

Absolutely. I 3-bet or raise lots of turns even when I think there is a considerable chance I am beat, because the pot is big and there are people left to act. Even if it is a mistake given opponents' likely range of hands and your vulnerability if you are ahead, the size of the pot pads the mistake and makes it pretty miniscule.

[Fnord]

UTG had 77 [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

I have second thoughts about my flop play and river bet.