TPTK, min bet, raise, min raise, call, min bet....

mason55 · #1 06-10-2005, 09:19 PM

Villain just sat down, thus no reads. I wanted to peel one off when he minraised me on the flop because there's no way I was folding to that bet. Then he minbet again on the turn and I just called to keep the pot small. When he minbet a third time on the river I figured my hand was good. All these dumb minbets had me confused though. Look good?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

Button ($57)
SB ($24.6)
BB ($23.2)
UTG ($25)
UTG+1 ($29.85)
MP1 ($35.35)
MP2 ($25)
Hero ($29.55)
CO ($24.65)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1. MP2 posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.1, 1 fold, MP2 (poster) calls $0.85, Hero calls $1.10, 4 folds.

Flop: ($3.65) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets $0.5, Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises to $5.5, Hero calls $2.50.

Turn: ($14.65) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.25, Hero calls $0.25.

River: ($15.15) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.25, Hero raises to $6, MP2 calls $5.75.

Final Pot: $27.15

poboy · #2 06-10-2005, 09:29 PM

I think I'd rather raise the turn. If you're ahead you get more money in the pot. If he raises again I think you could be fairly certain you've been outflopped and decide what to do based on the odds he lays. If he just calls I probably check behind on the river or call a small bet. JMO

mason55 · #3 06-10-2005, 09:47 PM

Hmmm... yeah I can definitely see it being good to play it this way. My goal was to not give him a big pot to bet into on the river. I'm thinking that if I'm ahead there's no difference unless he's drawing to the flush (which I don't see him min-3-betting the flop with a flush draw). If I bet and he calls and then fires into me on the river I'm going to be pretty pot comitted looking at stacks. If I just call then I'm willing to fold to a huge overbet on the river and call a (now much smaller) pot sized bet.

Izenra · #4 06-10-2005, 10:11 PM

Your play is fine. I senses a lot of weakness. My initial thought was he is on a draw.

He could also have pair of queen weak kicker.

Raise the turn.

mason55 · #5 06-10-2005, 10:21 PM

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Your play is fine. I senses a lot of weakness. My initial thought was he is on a draw.

He could also have pair of queen weak kicker.

Raise the turn.

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You think he min 3bets on a draw? I have never seen this in my life. Thus I'm either way ahead on the turn and he's drawing to 2 or 5 outs or I'm way behind and drawing to 5 or 3 outs (or drawing dead). I still haven't seen a good argument for raising the turn. I think it just makes the river tougher to play if he bets pot.

Muisyle · #6 06-11-2005, 03:15 AM

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You think he min 3bets on a draw? I have never seen this in my life.

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) converter

SB ($63.75)
Hero ($76.1)
UTG ($163.63)
MP ($19.9)
Button ($74.2)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $0.5, Hero raises to $2, Button folds, SB raises to $3.5, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($8.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $16, Hero calls $64.10 (All-In), SB calls $43.75 (All-In).

River: ($140.35) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $140.35

Results in white below: 
SB has 6h 2h (flush, nine high).
Hero has Qh 3h (flush, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $140.35.