"Oh Good - I Hit My Overcard" "Oh No - I've Been Raised"

[trentcroad]

I think I call down, but I dont like it much.

[xCEO]

I see absolutely no way that you can fold here.

My line would be to call down, or maybe lead te river.

[dealer_toe]

How about 44 or 33? Or if he's a passive PF player 99 is a possibility. I'd call it down, if I'm right I note his bad slow play and be ok w/ the call.

[Nick Royale]

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Hero proceeds to badly misplay the rest of the hand.

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So far Hero has played this hand as he should. I hope he calls down from here.

[Nick Royale]

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How about 44 or 33? Or if he's a passive PF player 99 is a possibility. I'd call it down, if I'm right I note his bad slow play and be ok w/ the call.

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I don't think we can assume Button is checking the flop through with a set. Most players will bet (and should).

[Nick Royale]

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The pot is tiny

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The pot is 6.5 BB. We're ahead of CO and Button is raising TP with a worse kicker often enough to call down.

[Nick Royale]

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I'd either be 3-betting the turn or stop n go the river on most cards.

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You can't fold to a turn cap, but check/fold the river UI. I don't like the turn 3-bet since it will cost more than calling down and without getting a showdown (if we get capped). I can see a point in betting the river though. We're most often up against JT/QT/AT here but adding the risk of being up against slowplayed 33 or 44 (hands which will always raise the river and we won't be able to fold) I like just check/calling a little better.

[mtdoak]

Your options:

Fold: You have top pair with a good kicker. You have no read on the opponent. Folding is plain wrong IMHO. If he has a set, then your drawing dead. I think, more often than not, your going to see hands like J10, Q10, and A10. He's not slowplaying 910 on the flop. It could be an overpair played like a donk.

Call: This is your best option. There are 6.5 BB in the pot, so you don't need to have the best hand a majority of the time for it to be profitable.

Raise: This would just be silly. You leave yourself open to a cap and trap yourself to a river bet as well. Don't do this.

[brettbrettr]

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The pot is tiny, fold to the turn raise. Easy fold.

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are you serious here?

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Yes, I was serious when I posted it. Maybe not the part about the "easy" fold, but a fold seems somewhat reasonable. I'm still not convinced that folding is terrible because of the size of the pot--readless though, I admit its tougher. But yes, if I don't fold its a fairly clear call down.

[zeitgeist]

Some great replies here - I am indebted to all of you.

Well here's what I did, and why I still think it was wrong (although after reading the replies I'm starting to agree that it's not as egregious as I initially thought it was).

My starting point in situations like these is that a turn raise, especially with players already in for one bet, usually means that the raiser can beat top pair.

While this was only a three-way pot, both other players (myself included) were already in for a bet, so I thought I was likely facing two pair or a set.

Having said that, it was also possible that Villain thought I was just trying to take down the pot given that the flop was checked around. I think however that I was just rationalizing a call that, in my heart, I knew was bad.

*Anyway*, I called the turn, spiked a King on the river and check-called hoping Villain would bet a lesser two pair. But no, he showed 44. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Obviously he was wrong to slowplay middle set like he did but I think I made it less wrong for him by not getting away from my hand like I should have.

Having said that, those of you who advocate calling down make a good case for it. I still think I misplayed this, just not as badly as I had previously thought.