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Old 06-07-2005, 11:48 PM
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Default Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

Once I picked up the OESD and Flush draw on the turn I figured I had to bet this one. The table is very loose. MP1 is 56%/4% with an Postflop AF of 0.56, CO is 44%/2% with a Postflop AF of 0.31. Have played ~110 hands with both opponents, and the aggression especially after the flop checked around is completely unexpected. With a paired board visions of one of them holding a boat come to mind, but is that just a case of seeing monsters under the bed? What do you do here? Did I make a mistake earlier in the hand?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.01.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB (poster) checks, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, SB folds, Hero ???
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

Call. Not enough to cap the turn 3 way. Rest of the hand looks fine.
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Old 06-07-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

Call.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:02 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

This seems logical. Against two loose passive opponents who come to life here would you ever consider folding this?
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:28 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

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Really? Pot is offering 7:2 while he is 4.75:1 to catch. Are you sure S&amp;M would approve?
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:32 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

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Call.

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Really? Pot is offering 7:2 while he is 4.75:1 to catch. Are you sure S&amp;M would approve?

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MP1 and CO going to give Hero plenty of action if he hits his flush.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:33 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

4.75-1? Hero has flush outs and an OESD.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:39 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

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Really? Pot is offering 7:2 while he is 4.75:1 to catch. Are you sure S&amp;M would approve?

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The pot is offering 9:2 odds...10:2 after MP1 calls.
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:44 AM
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Really? Pot is offering 7:2 while he is 4.75:1 to catch. Are you sure S&amp;M would approve?

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The pot is offering 9:2 odds...10:2 after MP1 calls.

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4.75-1? Hero has flush outs and an OESD.


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Crap, I didn't see the OESD AND miscounted the BB. Good catch.

I should just play while I'm playing.
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Old 06-08-2005, 06:40 AM
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Default Re: Strong Draw against unexpected aggression

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4.75-1? Hero has flush outs and an OESD.

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Yes there is the OESD and the flush draw, which gives us ~15 outs if we can count all of them. How many of these outs would you count in this hand?
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