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#11
06-07-2005, 05:09 PM
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Re: How deep? REAL DEEP
Um, what are the blinds? Calling T9s out of position is cool if it's a 5/10 game, but if it's a 50/100 game, it's maybe not so cool. Also, if it's a 5/10 game, you're not going to be able to get it in on the flop, so the lead-reraise line won't work too well (unless you make a huge overbet reraise all-in that probably won't be called by anything except J9).
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#12
06-07-2005, 05:31 PM
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Re: How deep? REAL DEEP
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[ QUOTE ] Stacks are real deep, 10K and 2x15K [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] he didn't say what the blinds were, silly. Stack sizes are irrelevant, without knowing blinds.
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#13
06-07-2005, 05:46 PM
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Re: How deep? REAL DEEP
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Stacks are real deep, 10K and 2x15K [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] he didn't say what the blinds were, silly. Stack sizes are irrelevant, without knowing blinds. [/ QUOTE ] dude, it doesn't matter how big the blinds are, 15K is A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. with that in mind, i wouldn't put money in the pot unless i had the NUTS!!! GET OUT!!
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#14
06-07-2005, 06:39 PM
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Re: How deep? REAL DEEP
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Stacks are real deep, 10K and 2x15K [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] he didn't say what the blinds were, silly. Stack sizes are irrelevant, without knowing blinds. [/ QUOTE ] dude, it doesn't matter how big the blinds are, 15K is A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY. with that in mind, i wouldn't put money in the pot unless i had the NUTS!!! GET OUT!! [/ QUOTE ] Eff that! Lead the pot....hope inital raiser and button go nuclear then ask the player next to you to help you shove every chip you have into the pot then ask dealer if they accept credit cards. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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#15
06-07-2005, 07:27 PM
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Re: How to play it?
Ignoring any risk aversion you might have (based on you preflop call I am doubting any), you want as much money in as possible. I say check the flop, and let the seat 5 (original raiser) make a big bet, hopefully button calls, and you can push.
It would be disaster if they check behind but based on your reads, it is almost certain one of them will bet. You are a favourite to win against any hand other than TT and I really don't think any hand other than TT can call your all-in but I think you are in a great +EV spot.
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#16
06-07-2005, 10:47 PM
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Re: How to play it?
srry 10/20 NL is the game and here is how it went down
I bet out 1000 into the 700 pot and am called by both. The turn comes 6s for the straight flush. I bet 1000 and am called by the first player and button folds. The river is Ah and I bet 2500, he thinks for a while then calls and mucks. He said he had AA and was set to auto-muck. I probably could have done some other things differently but 535BB or 10,700 pot is never anything to scoff at.
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#18
06-08-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: How to play it?
if it's 10/20 NL here's what i'm thinking... you got 500 BB's to work with. you need a raise on the flop, so i think overbetting the pot is a little strong because it would make them hesitant to raise.
stlil check raising all in with 500BB's is stupid as hell. you don't get nearly enough money in the pot... you have the best hand right now, by a long shot. i'm not looking to take down 40BB's... especially when i called 10BB's preflop with this and hit a miracle flop!!! lead for 3/4 pot (same lead you'd make with AT or JJ or something)... give them a reason to raise you but don't raise weak enough where you scream monster and a) have them call you or b) still not get enough in the pot when you shove. lead for 3/4... they call they call, you're still the fave (then maybe play the straight flush a little weaker than you did? i don't know tough to get paid there)... but if they raise then all of a sudden you have 150BB's or something in ther,e you can basically push or at least make it 300BB's to go (pot sized raise)... this will ensure chips in the middle, which is your goal. this isn't just a huge straight flushd raw, it's a straight flush draw with a pair, THE BEST HAND.... i am not ok with taking down a medium sized pot. anyway glad it worked out but i think the overbet is the method that gets the least in the pot on the flop...
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#19
06-08-2005, 09:32 AM
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Re: How to play it?
If your read is correct, i think the chances are low that two people have QQ-AA and it gets checked through. I would make a hefty check-raise on the flop. If the money goes in, you have phenomenal equity and are happy, however this way you can probably win the pot outright, and it's always nice to win a sizable pot with a pait of eights [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].
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#20
06-08-2005, 11:14 AM
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Re: How to play it?
Hi,
I'm going to take an unpopular line here. You don't HAVE to get all in on the flop against these two guys, or especially against just one of them, if your read is accurate. Yes, it is hugely +EV if you can somehow get both of them in (you make about 5K if you all put in 10K), and they have the hands you put them on. If you get it all in against only one of them, then hope he doesn't have JsJx, against which you're 51% to win. If he has AsAx, you're 60%. This is like putting it all in with AQ vs. KJ (or 98s) pre-flop. --------------BUT--------------------- If these two are somehow bad enough to be pegged as clearly on big PPs as you said, and then get all-in on that flop with one pair, you don't need those 60/40 edges so much. I realize that 60/40 is a nice edge, but you should be getting a 90/10 or better spot soon, in a 6 handed game. Maybe even in this hand, if you don't go off. There are a couple of things to consider here: what will you do if you lose 10k in this hand? If you'll rebuy to cover, that favors getting all-in. If one of them will quit if they win this potentially enormous pot, that favors not getting all-in. If these factors are not favorable, you may want to just call their inevitable bets. Obviously, if they force you all-in, it's a somewhat different story. But don't kid yourself too much about folding equity against guys who play as bad as you claim. As it stands, I hate your bet on the turn. One of them is bound to have a big spade, but if it isn't the As, you may lose them for good with that bet, when they're drawing stone dead. Just check it; they're terrible, and won't see through that play. Betting is a huge mistake unless you have an airtight read that they're going to play. Even then, you may get one of them to bet. Glad to see you dragged it; too bad another spade didn't fall.
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