Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 06-07-2005, 09:35 PM
BirdieLongSocks BirdieLongSocks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 168
Default A correct read that backfired

6 handed at primas NL100 tables and I get A5 of spade on the button, I make it 4 to go and small blind makes it 7. BB fold and I call. I start the hand with 130 and he has me way coverd.

I have only seen him reraise wih AA/KK and then he tripled the raiser. I´m putting him on Aces, kings, or AK.

Flop is 998 rainbow and he leads out for 7 which I call.

Now I have him pegged for AK and I decide to take a stab at it on the turn.

Turn brings a second spade (the duece) and he checks, I bet 12 and he calls.

River is blank and I make it 24, he waits like forever and then calls showing AK and taking it down.

Was my play that easy to read?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 06-07-2005, 09:45 PM
Trainwreck Trainwreck is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Next to some tracks
Posts: 304
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

I don't think so, but I can't see HIS notes on YOU! 8)

Note on him: CALLING STATION, won't let go of AK.

>TW<
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 06-07-2005, 10:10 PM
MLerra MLerra is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 127
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

There's a lot to work with here.

[ QUOTE ]
I get A5 of spade on the button

[/ QUOTE ]
Trouble hand.

[ QUOTE ]
I make it 4 to go

[/ QUOTE ]
OK.

[ QUOTE ]
small blind makes it 7. BB fold and I call

[/ QUOTE ]
Hmm... not sure why you're calling here.

[ QUOTE ]
I´m putting him on Aces, kings, or AK.

[/ QUOTE ]
OK now I'm DEFINITELY not sure why you're calling here. You're either behind, way behind, or way way behind.

[ QUOTE ]
Flop is 998 rainbow and he leads out for 7 which I call.

[/ QUOTE ]
Huh? Which hand are you putting him on that you're deciding a call is the right move here?

[ QUOTE ]
Now I have him pegged for AK and I decide to take a stab at it on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]
This, I don't understand at all. Continuation bets are, by their nature, intended to be indistinguishable between when one has it and when one doesn't. A half-pot bet when first to act doesn't really signal weakness or strength to me. But maybe I'm missing something.

[ QUOTE ]
Turn brings a second spade (the duece) and he checks, I bet 12 and he calls.

[/ QUOTE ]
12 into a pot of 28 or so? This doesn't really show any strength here, in my opinion.

[ QUOTE ]
River is blank and I make it 24, he waits like forever and then calls showing AK and taking it down.

[/ QUOTE ]
24 into a pot of about 50? Not bad, I kind of like it.

I'll be honest, I think this is a pretty poorly-played hand. How do you call a preflop bet when you think you're that far behind? The purpose of making a read is to inform you of potentially bad plays... and this is a huge one. I understand the relatively deep stacks (130 BB)... but I don't think you stack this guy with a flush, or if he has KK and an A comes down. Nor do I think you stack him if he has AK and you hit A5x on the flop, though this is about the only scenario that would get me to want to see a turn.

Personally, I would have folded to the EP reraise, ESPECIALLY if my read then becomes KK or AA or AK. Barring that, I fold to the flop bet since I missed my two-spade or A5 flop that I needed. If I'm REALLY interested in taking it down, I think I'd raise the flop bet to $28. Then at least, he's getting a bit worse than 2:1 on a call there. You couldn't know he'd take an unimproved AK to the river and call a 1/2 pot bet with it there, but jeez... there were so many -EV plays in this hand, in my opinion, that you can hardly consider it a bad beat...
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-07-2005, 10:12 PM
BirdieLongSocks BirdieLongSocks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 168
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

yea, figured I schould have made a note out of it, but the hand botherd me and I shut down the window =(.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-07-2005, 10:14 PM
Shibby Shibby is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

So you read that you were completely toasted and still put money into the pot?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-07-2005, 10:32 PM
BirdieLongSocks BirdieLongSocks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 168
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

Thanks, really great input.

Just to clearify some things I missed (it´s 4 in the morning and I need sleep).

I call preflop because I´m fairly sure he has AK (he triple reaised with aces and kings) and with position I have a nice chance of taking it down unless a A or K falls.

On the flop I sensed that it was AK I was up against because when someone reraises preflop he most of the time either check calls, checkraises or bets pot on the flop, this was a huge sign of weakness.

Thinking back I guess I schould have raised the flop and given it up if he called.

My small turn bet was just me trying to establish some credibility. I checked the flop and now there is duece on the turn, why would somone bet pot? I think that looks like a steal. I was representing something like tens or jacks scared of the preflop reraise.

I thought there where no way he could call my river bet as it looked so nice ( in my eyes ).
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-07-2005, 10:34 PM
BirdieLongSocks BirdieLongSocks is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sweden
Posts: 168
Default Re: A correct read that backfired

Yea, because I "know" what he had.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:55 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.