Low set, lots of aggression on the turn.

MarzH05 · #1 06-07-2005, 06:03 PM

Table hasnt been too aggressive pf, so I decided to limp with this hand. I have noticed villain get really aggressive when he thinks he has the best hand. From what I have seen, he does this with what is probably the best hand(hasnt been caught bluffing yet, but I have not played that many hands with him.) Normally I rr this flop with a set, but this time I decided to play it a little slow because the flop was not very scary to me. Instead, I decided to rr on the turn. When he came over the top I did not know what to think. Then he typed in the chat log "I could have the nuts". Which just made me instantly fold. Does anyone call this? I think this was played just like a 78, but what characteristics of a villain would cause you to call this, if ever? It just seems like this fold defeats the whole purpose of me limping with low pp. Lets say he did have the straight, and played it a little slower, I would have probably lost even more money. So how do you guys maximize your win/loss with low sets?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($37.5)
CO ($73.45)
Button ($14)
SB ($50.7)
BB ($49)
UTG ($66.2)
UTG+1 ($136.57)
MP1 ($55.1)
Hero ($49.75)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero calls $0.50, MP3 calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP3 folds, SB folds.

Turn: ($6) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero raises to $10, BB raises to $46.5 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $62.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins $62.50.

MarzH05 · #2 06-07-2005, 06:13 PM

Just saw that this hand is much like Allin3High's post(It wasnt at the top a minute ago). So I will read that and see what I can come up with.

AllIn3High · #3 06-07-2005, 06:22 PM

Actually this is a little different, it looks like BB bet an open-ended straight draw w/ 87 on the flop and hit on the turn. If hero had raised the flop the decision would have been closer - i don't mind the fold here even though villian could easily play two pairs like this.

I raise a flop like this every time, especially with 2 players left to act behind you - you're simply given them far too good odds to call with straight draws.

To answer you low set question - I usually don't try to minimize "my losses", I try to maximize my winnings, so I'll raise, re-raise and push most of the time. Set over set is rare and people overplay their hands far too often to fold sets most of the time.

MarzH05 · #4 06-07-2005, 06:29 PM

It just seems to give away my hand too much to rr all the time with a flopped set after I have limped. Like I said, about 95 percent of the time I do rr though, just decided to switch it up on this flop that was not too scary. What other hands do you rr with on the flop to hide a set?

AllIn3High · #5 06-07-2005, 06:42 PM

Overpairs, draws (only with position), TPGK, two pair, all depending on my opponents standards for betting out.

swolfe · #6 06-07-2005, 07:57 PM

raise the flop

swolfe · #7 06-07-2005, 07:57 PM

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It just seems to give away my hand too much to rr all the time with a flopped set after I have limped. Like I said, about 95 percent of the time I do rr though, just decided to switch it up on this flop that was not too scary. What other hands do you rr with on the flop to hide a set?

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you should be raising the flop with more than just sets. raise with your strong draws as well.

Jester999 · #8 06-07-2005, 08:03 PM

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raise the flop

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With four guys in there limping around you must raise the flop. But since you didn't, I would have to have a VERY VERY VERY strong read on my opponent to lay this down.

Actually, at this level I was much into 'reading' but instead I'd insta-call and more often than not I'd be ahead. At this level if you never laid this kind of hand own you'd be +EV.

snappo · #9 06-07-2005, 08:20 PM

I would raise the flop.

swedeD · #10 06-07-2005, 08:29 PM

I think your read can be right. His chat talk is strange. Would he say that with two pair? I don't know, maybe, but most of the time people talk stuff like this, they want a call.

How well does villian know how you play? If he know your are really tight, he maybe is trying a move here, but I doubt that. If he is not stupid and don't have the straight, he most be afraid of the straight just like you. You limped PF, you called a bet after the flop that was giving you ok odds to draw, your reraise after the turn was pretty solid. There is much better spots to try a move against a tight player then here.

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At this level if you never laid this kind of hand down you'd be +EV.

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I sure hope that. But I just don't want my flopped sets to be +EV, I want them to make big money in the long run. After all, they have to pay for all the hands when I don't flop a set with low/medium pp. A few laydowns with good hands can sometimes be the difference between making money and breaking even.