I think I tilt a lot more easily in 6max

baronzeus · #1 06-06-2005, 07:47 PM

I was looking over my last few thousand hands and my losing hands. I noticed that my biggest losses were as a result of me tilting and trying to "outplay" my villain. Here are a few examples:

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, MP folds, Button folds.

Turn: (3 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls.

River: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 9 BB

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Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, BB calls.

River: (8.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, MP calls, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG folds, MP raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP calls.

River: (12 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP calls.

Final Pot: 14 BB

Anyhow, you can see how retarded I am, and these are just a few of the examples.

What should I do in these situations? I hate quitting after a bad run but I also hate losing more money. .

The reason I haven't quit when I was down recently is because I keep using reasoning that the cards "will come" if I stick around.

Another question, do you tighten up? My vpip is around 26/13 usually, but I've loosened up during runs (bad ones) which is probably the opposite of what I should do.

I think I'd be a very winning player (4BB+) if it wasn't for this single leak.

gvibes · #2 06-06-2005, 08:10 PM

Real ugly.

Hand 1: fold flop
Hand 2: fold flop
Hand 3: I don't raise KTo from the BB, but I'm not good. Everything after the flop bet and call are spewerrific.

Not be an ass, but I'd be shocked if you were a winning player.

emonrad87 · #3 06-06-2005, 09:41 PM

I have this problem to some extent too, but these hands are just plain idiotic. What exactly are you trying to do here? I'd put you on my buddy list if I faced you.

Hand 1 - fold flop.
Hand 2 - fold preflop, especially if that's what youre gonna do post flop.
Hand 3 - Check preflop, dont lead flop.

7ontheline · #4 06-06-2005, 09:43 PM

You hopefully know this, but these hands are all awful.

baronzeus · #5 06-07-2005, 12:16 AM

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Real ugly.

Hand 1: fold flop
Hand 2: fold flop
Hand 3: I don't raise KTo from the BB, but I'm not good. Everything after the flop bet and call are spewerrific.

Not be an ass, but I'd be shocked if you were a winning player.

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Thanks for the advice on how to play these guys. *sarcasm*

I KNOW I misplayed these, that's the point of these posts. I was on mega-tilt for these 3 hands after getting outdrawn some # of times before.

I was looking for advice on how people deal with tilt, not how people play these hands.

Thanks

imported_ncray · #6 06-07-2005, 12:43 AM

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Not be an ass, but I'd be shocked if you were a winning player.

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Poker tracker agrees. Given my data on you, it has appended you with the fish icon. But this is only over several thousand hands, so it might be a sample size issue. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

emonrad87 · #7 06-07-2005, 01:01 AM

Dude, if you KNOW you're on tilt and you KNOW you're misplaying hands this badly you'd be retarded to not quit playing. You lost ~12BB more than you should have making these illogical plays. You clearly can't deal with tilt, so stop playing when you go on tilt. Duh.

climber · #8 06-07-2005, 02:03 AM

I'll be a little nicer than the rest of your responders so far and admit that I have made plays like this in my life. Not consistently but in the tens of thousands of hands i do have a few of these thrown in. I also have done it. I decide I "have a read" or somethign else equally stupid and decide to "put a move on" someone.

Tilt sucks and its expensive--thats the bottom line. The worst thing that can happen is if someone actually folds to your stupidtiy and you get reinforcement that what you were doing was acaceptable. I think an occassional bluff to mix up your play and disguise things can be +EV but not as you demonstrate in your examples. If you decide to try a move and it doesn't work(i.e. he 3 bets your turn check raise) you need to be a man and fold. You will thank yourself later when you note you still retain some semblance of a bankroll.

Mostly though you need to stop and walk away. davidross's recent post mentions the ability to stop at a preset time even if you are stuck as being an important skill to have. If you had that skill I expect you wouldn't feel driven to these desperation plays. The recognition that it is all one big session can be quite liberating. I'm working on that skill and realization myself.

baronzeus · #9 06-07-2005, 03:26 AM

Thanks for the post.

Most of these were against people I classified as "maniacs" and fish and were based on "reads" i thought I had based on previous suckouts by them.

I also want to point out that these are 3 hands I found in the last several (5?) thousand--not something I do on a regular basis.

Anyways, I'm gonna try that "set an end time" and quit--regardless of where I stand.

BTW, those of you who are doubting me, I have around 100K hands between 0.5/1, 1/2, 2/4, 3/6, and 5/10 (as I've been moving up when my bankroll gets bigger and I get better), and I've averaged over 2.5BB/100 over the entire 100K in limit.

jwg152 · #10 06-07-2005, 04:08 AM

I've tilted off plenty of cash in my day - nothing to be ashamed of IMO. I don't get tilty much anymore, but when I do - I immediately stop playing before I can afflict any damage on my roll. When I play I'm constantly monitoring my mood (I think you should do the same), and whenever you feel like it is poisoning your play - just stop immediately and blow your steam away from the tables.