4 hands, 3 big slicks, 10th place

[dfscott]

Now that I've cooled down a bit, let's try this again, constructively.

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This i saying: " i think i played good. I got my money in with some decent hands. I busted"

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If I had said this, I would agree that it was a bad post. However, this was not, "every time I raise with AK pre-flop I lose! Should I limp and try and see a flop?" I felt like these were valid situations to question my line. Maybe I should've been more specific in what I was asking, but I hate to box people in:

Hand 1) Am I nuts to go all-in after my raise is smooth called on the flop on a fairly raggedy board? (I really don't think I had a choice, but maybe a check/call line on the turn?)

Hand 3) Am I nuts to re-raise all-in with TPTK when I raise pre-flop, bet out and get raised? (My thoughts were that a set would smooth call and this was a str8 draw or weaker kicker).

Hand 4) Is calling a re-raise, followed by an all-in dumb? (Yes, I think it was, but I needed chips badly.)

Probably the worst thing I did was posting the entire history and not hiding this results, therefore making it look like a bad beat post. I got lazy because I was in shock -- sorry about that.

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What the eff do you have a problem with if someone calls is out as such?

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See above.

[Big Limpin']

hey man, im real sorry but im super pressed for time right now to respond to that, i have to leave pad in like 5 mins and still have to shower, but i promise ill hit it tomorrow morning...

What i can say now is that , dude, im somewhat sorry about what i sid, insofar as i got allup on your case about an iffy post, and at the time i meant it, but in regards to your followup posts , i realise that it wasnt what i thought "i play guuuuud...i get fukt", but instead it was honest question about "this is my line, was there a better one"

So, here it is : sorry bud, i overreacted.

I do like your style, and you posta are well above average.



Soooooo....like i say, i dont have the time to go over the HH properly now, but in reperations for being an ass previously, i promise i dedicete 5 minutes of my time to give thoughtful opinions/reccomedations tomoorow


Also, what you said before(paraphrase):

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Youre in a pissy mood . dont take it out on me

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Was ironically correct. I ran up a 11 BI profit today, but im pretty sure i got dumped by my girl today, and i reponded to your post pretty soon after finding that out, so yeah i mosdef was in a pissy mood.

Heh, cheer, GL, expect serious HH response tomorrow.

[dfscott]

It's all good -- I overreacted as well. Guess I was stinging a little more than I realized.

Sux about your girl, but hey, chin up -- more time for poker, right? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Edit: sorry, that last bit may have came off a little flip. Seriously, I know how relationship crap can sux...

[Newt_Buggs]

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Hand 4) Is calling a re-raise, followed by an all-in dumb? (Yes, I think it was, but I needed chips badly.)


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Just wanted to chime in that needing chips can't justify making a call when you are either a coinflip or crushed and in for less than 1/10 of your stack.

[Slim Pickens]

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Hand 1) Am I nuts to go all-in after my raise is smooth called on the flop on a fairly raggedy board? (I really don't think I had a choice, but maybe a check/call line on the turn?)

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Someone correct me if I'm way off base (I've been having an affair with the 6-max NL tables) but isn't all-in about the worse possible play? Either you've just given away all your chips or you've failed to extract anything out of a winner. It looks like a panic/tilt move.

Slim

[Newt_Buggs]

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Hand 1) Am I nuts to go all-in after my raise is smooth called on the flop on a fairly raggedy board? (I really don't think I had a choice, but maybe a check/call line on the turn?)

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Someone correct me if I'm way off base (I've been having an affair with the 6-max NL tables) but isn't all-in about the worse possible play? Either you've just given away all your chips or you've failed to extract anything out of a winner. It looks like a panic/tilt move.

Slim

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it is very likely that the villain has Ax and will call

[curtains]

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Hand 1) Am I nuts to go all-in after my raise is smooth called on the flop on a fairly raggedy board? (I really don't think I had a choice, but maybe a check/call line on the turn?)

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Someone correct me if I'm way off base (I've been having an affair with the 6-max NL tables) but isn't all-in about the worse possible play? Either you've just given away all your chips or you've failed to extract anything out of a winner. It looks like a panic/tilt move.

Slim

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it is very likely that the villain has Ax and will call

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Gosh no, no one at the $33 sit and go's would call an allin with just top pair weak kicker. They would all be super tight rocks and fold due to the obvious show of strength.

I would move allin as well, the 9 was an slightly unpleasant card and any bet I make is going to pot commit me anyway. It's possible I would bet less than allin only with the purpose of extracting some chips, depending on how I felt about the strength of my opponent's hand, but by no means do I think allin is a "PANIC/TILT" move, whatever that is anyway.

[curtains]

btw I may be one of the few people on this forum who think so, but I really don't like making large open raises with a hand like AK. I mean I really really don't like open raising to 70-80 or whatever when the blinds are 10-15. I'd rather do so with a hand like QQ, but even so I think it's best to just raise to 40-50 (I usually raise to exactly 45) with almost all opening hands in round 1 in every buyin of sit and go.

This is of course my personal preference and obviously not the clear correct way to play. However it makes your decisions postflop a lot easier, especially with a hand like AK. You can make a continuation bet against one opponent without risking too big a % of your stack, (Have fun raising to 75, getting one caller and having to make a 100-125 chip bluff bet as opposed to a 65-75 chip bet) AND if you get more than one opponent and miss the flop, you can get away cheaply. Also when you flop top pair, it's less likely that someone has you beaten as opposed to having an overpair with AA, so I don't feel that it's as important to protect your hand preflop.

I also like to play this way with QQ+JJ, because I feel I am generally good at figuring out whether my hand is good, and the deeper stacks give me more betting leverage to find out where I'm at. If I make a huge open raise, I basically lose the chance to make smaller information type bets on the flop.

[dfscott]

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btw I may be one of the few people on this forum who think so, but I really don't like making large open raises with a hand like AK. I mean I really really don't like open raising to 70-80 or whatever when the blinds are 10-15. I'd rather do so with a hand like QQ, but even so I think it's best to just raise to 40-50 (I usually raise to exactly 45) with almost all opening hands in round 1 in every buyin of sit and go.

This is of course my personal preference and obviously not the clear correct way to play. However it makes your decisions postflop a lot easier, especially with a hand like AK. You can make a continuation bet against one opponent without risking too big a % of your stack, (Have fun raising to 75, getting one caller and having to make a 100-125 chip bluff bet as opposed to a 65-75 chip bet) AND if you get more than one opponent and miss the flop, you can get away cheaply. Also when you flop top pair, it's less likely that someone has you beaten as opposed to having an overpair with AA, so I don't feel that it's as important to protect your hand preflop.

I also like to play this way with QQ+JJ, because I feel I am generally good at figuring out whether my hand is good, and the deeper stacks give me more betting leverage to find out where I'm at. If I make a huge open raise, I basically lose the chance to make smaller information type bets on the flop.

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I'm really glad to hear this because after reading this thread I was starting to doubt some of my basic strategy. After leaking tons of chips with the sequence of: AK, big raise, big continuation bet on missed flop, check/fold turn, I'd really backed off of it a lot pre-flop. Now instead of hitting level 4 with 650 chips, I'm hitting it with 775. With AK, I'm not looking to score big and double up -- I'm looking to preserve/build my stack for the later levels.

IMO, the small pre-flop raise lets you do two things when you miss. First, you can see the flop relatively cheaply. This means that you can afford a continuation bet which often takes it down right there. If re-raised, the pot is small enough that you can easily let the hand go if re-raised. If called, you get another shot at hitting your TP on the turn, and if you have position, you can often see the river as well. This may sound weak, since you won't get people pot committed when they hit their weak ace on the flop, but I think it's a viable trade-off in the early levels.

With QQ or JJ, I don't really care about seeing all five cards. I'm looking to drive out the junk with a decent sized pre-flop raise (4BB or t100, whichever is more). I might raise more in LP with tons of limpers. Once the flop comes down, I'm looking to either go to the felt or check/fold. I don't have much chance to improve, so I want the drawers to pay.

[hummusx]

I don't think I agree with this - I think you are giving up a lot of value when you have a great hand. If you are trying to get by cheap with AK you're going to end up with too many people in the hand. If you raise it to 45 and get 4 callers, the pot is now 225. What kind of continuation bet can you do for cheap? If you raise it to 70 and get 2 callers, the pot is now 210. Plus, you've got a better chance that someone did not hit their 2 pair when the flop came K76.

Like I said before, I'm not real big on raising AK more than a normalish raise, but I think your line of thinking is a little off. AK isn't going to make a big hand most of the time - you don't really want to 'see the flop cheaply' because that's going to tend to let other people 'see the flop cheaply' as well.