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#1
06-06-2005, 03:37 PM
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Lets figure out this PVS thing
Sorry that I made a new thread for this but the other one was messed up.
I know that a PVS is technically done with complete junk but go ahead and look these over anyway. If you would do something other than push/fold feel free to speak up as well (hand 3?) assume that these are $50s, although if you think that the play would vary dependong on buy in I think that that could be an interesting discussion as well. Hand 1: Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter CO (t3078) Hero (t990) SB (t936) BB (t2095) UTG (t938) MP1 (t852) MP2 (t1111) Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls t100, Hero? Hand 2: Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed) converter UTG (t1105) UTG+1 (t1055) MP1 (t1065) MP2 (t1555) Hero (t460) Button (t1835) SB (t1500) BB (t1425) Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t50, Hero? Hand 3: Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter MP2 (t1235) CO (t1075) Hero (t1015) SB (t2630) BB (t960) UTG (t1115) MP1 (t1970) Preflop: Hero is Button with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls t100, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero? 
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#3
06-06-2005, 03:59 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
I definately push #2.
I probably push #1. A limp from a big stack in CO usually means nothing, so I would often push if I didn't have a better read. #3 concerns me a bit. The limper is UTG and he doesn't have a big enough stack to pay 100 to see a flop with crap. I often fold in this spot with no read.
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#4
06-06-2005, 04:00 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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I definately push #2. I probably push #1. A limp from a big stack in CO usually means nothing, so I would often push if I didn't have a better read. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently?
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#5
06-06-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently? [/ QUOTE ] My guess? If you get called, you're behind. #2 has more suckout potential.
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#6
06-06-2005, 04:04 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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[ QUOTE ] IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently? [/ QUOTE ] My guess? If you get called, you're behind. #2 has more suckout potential. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I hope it's something else, because what you said is false.
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#7
06-06-2005, 04:10 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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[ QUOTE ] I definately push #2. I probably push #1. A limp from a big stack in CO usually means nothing, so I would often push if I didn't have a better read. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently? [/ QUOTE ] #1 - 990 chips #2 - 460 chips If I knew the limpers had 55 and would call a push, I would fold #1, but I would still push #2. With #2, I don't mind gambling, so it's a far easier push for me.
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#8
06-06-2005, 04:15 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I definately push #2. I probably push #1. A limp from a big stack in CO usually means nothing, so I would often push if I didn't have a better read. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently? [/ QUOTE ] #1 - 990 chips #2 - 460 chips If I knew the limpers had 55 and would call a push, I would fold #1, but I would still push #2. With #2, I don't mind gambling, so it's a far easier push for me. [/ QUOTE ] The blinds in #1 are 50/100. So you have just under 10BB in both hands.
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#9
06-06-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
My main problem with #2 though is that I can see a lot of players limping KJ/KQ here and calling the push. After all, its "only" 410 more chips for him to call. I think that pushing will get called often by a hand that is a coinflip, slight favorite, or dominating. I like your point though phil about how you don't mind racing in this situation.
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#10
06-06-2005, 04:22 PM
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Re: Lets figure out this PVS thing
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I definately push #2. I probably push #1. A limp from a big stack in CO usually means nothing, so I would often push if I didn't have a better read. [/ QUOTE ] IMO, #1 is a far easier push than #2. Why do you feel differently? [/ QUOTE ] #1 - 990 chips #2 - 460 chips If I knew the limpers had 55 and would call a push, I would fold #1, but I would still push #2. With #2, I don't mind gambling, so it's a far easier push for me. [/ QUOTE ] The blinds in #1 are 50/100. So you have just under 10BB in both hands. [/ QUOTE ] Is this a serious response? I'll respond in a bit. Please reconsider in the meantime.
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