I did a Doyle

juggla · #1 06-05-2005, 04:34 PM

I was playing my 3rd hand I believe so no read on table. Then on my 4th hand the good old OPEN-ENDED hand came about on my BB.

Do u guys do what Doyle recommends come out betting your open ended hands, & if raised dump it all in

1.You win it right there
2.If called you may still hit your hand

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($23.9)
CO ($4.65)
Button ($22.35)
SB ($36.95)
Hero ($24.75)
UTG ($11.15)
UTG+1 ($6.05)
MP1 ($30.65)
MP2 ($25.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.10) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG calls $1, MP3 raises to $3, Button folds, Hero calls $23.50 (All-In), UTG folds, MP3 calls $20.65 (All-In).

Results in white below: 

Turn: ($50.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($50.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.25

Hero has 2h 3s (straight, six high).
MP3 has Jh Js (three of a kind, jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins $50.25.

stu-unger · #2 06-05-2005, 04:56 PM

man i thought i was a super aggro player but, u put me to shame. i think u need to re-read the supersystem and see that he doesnt say to push in this spot for a couple reasons. Number one u are raising 20 into a 7 pot with a 3 high, i think he was talking more along the line of a pot with the size to warrant a push. and 2 u are drawing to the "suckers str8" as Doyle puts it, he directly says this is a play he's not going to make and a hand that should be played carefully. but on the other hand it does produce a good image but that is definately -EV in the long run and u should probably find spots with additional outs if u really want to be like doyle. glad to see the results worked out but remember in that spot u will win less than 1 in 3 and u have no fold equity.

xorbie · #3 06-05-2005, 04:59 PM

It would be better if the boar was 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and you had QK[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

juggla · #4 06-05-2005, 05:14 PM

I appreciate the advice, you are right its best to have the upper end of the straight along with other outs. Thats why I try to read as many post as possible to clean up my game.

DoomSlice · #5 06-05-2005, 05:17 PM

Hurray! A poster who is responsive to the advice of others, praise the lord!

willthethrill · #6 06-05-2005, 05:44 PM

super system, as a amazing book as it is, can sometimes be outdated. When doyle wrote it he said himself that it was easier to push players around. nowadays its much harder. take that into consideration

MarkL444 · #7 06-05-2005, 06:31 PM

this is a very bad hand.

juggla · #8 06-05-2005, 06:55 PM

Your not saying anything new... That has already been said and explained. Unless your gonna give advice then don't bother putting just 5 words with not advice.

Thank You

unlucky513 · #9 06-05-2005, 07:31 PM

why make this play in a cash game? wasn't doyles advice for tourney play?

Blackwolf · #10 06-05-2005, 07:42 PM

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why make this play in a cash game? wasn't doyles advice for tourney play?

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Risk a tourney on a sucker end openended straight draw?
If I remember correctly the only thing Doyle refer in SS1 is that he needed to tighten up in the beginning and make his usual play later on... or maybe that was SS2 cant really remember [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]