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06-02-2005, 02:44 PM
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Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
Ok. While this is not by any means a bad beat (she had the nuts on the flop)... pokerstars has really been beating me up lately. On the flop, I am completely giving up on this hand. They gave me a free card and there are only 2 cards in the deck that can cost me this pot. Of coarse, I hit one of them on the turn... giving me a full house. Sure, there is a chance that her betting pattern indicates that she has me beat... but it is a much greater chance that she has a lone ace or a small or middle pocket pair, or even a queen or a jack. This, combined with her small stack, commits me to the pot. Is there anyone here who gets away from this hand? Is there something to be learned here?
PokerStars Game #1817662021: Tournament #8555507, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/06/02 - 14:02:41 (ET) Table '8555507 3' Seat #6 is the button Seat 1: d333grumpy (1615 in chips) Seat 2: 66BIGSLICK66 (1410 in chips) Seat 3: mike's music (1450 in chips) ----me Seat 4: BigGun007 (2700 in chips) Seat 5: slickjoka (1180 in chips) Seat 6: cabinetman45 (1310 in chips) Seat 7: hcfd (1670 in chips) Seat 8: eddyz33 (1615 in chips) Seat 9: Brenz (550 in chips) hcfd: posts small blind 10 eddyz33: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to mike's music [3c 3s] Brenz: calls 20 d333grumpy: calls 20 66BIGSLICK66: folds mike's music: calls 20 BigGun007 has timed out BigGun007: folds BigGun007 is sitting out slickjoka: folds cabinetman45: calls 20 hcfd: calls 10 eddyz33: checks *** FLOP *** [Qh Qs Jc] hcfd: checks eddyz33: checks Brenz: checks d333grumpy: checks mike's music: checks cabinetman45: checks *** TURN *** [Qh Qs Jc] [3h] BigGun007 has returned hcfd: checks eddyz33: checks Brenz: checks d333grumpy: checks mike's music: bets 20 cabinetman45: calls 20 hcfd: folds eddyz33: calls 20 Brenz: raises 20 to 40 d333grumpy: folds mike's music: raises 80 to 120 cabinetman45: folds eddyz33: folds Brenz: raises 410 to 530 and is all-in mike's music: calls 410 *** RIVER *** [Qh Qs Jc 3h] [8h] *** SHOW DOWN *** Brenz: shows [Jd Qd] (a full house, Queens full of Jacks) mike's music: shows [3c 3s] (a full house, Threes full of Queens) mike's music said, "nh" Brenz collected 1220 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 1220 | Rake 0 Board [Qh Qs Jc 3h 8h] Seat 1: d333grumpy folded on the Turn Seat 2: 66BIGSLICK66 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: mike's music showed [3c 3s] and lost with a full house, Threes full of Queens Seat 4: BigGun007 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: slickjoka folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 6: cabinetman45 (button) folded on the Turn Seat 7: hcfd (small blind) folded on the Turn Seat 8: eddyz33 (big blind) folded on the Turn Seat 9: Brenz showed [Jd Qd] and won (1220) with a full house, Queens full of Jacks 
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#2
06-02-2005, 02:48 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
please bookmark this link. Hand converter
Yes, this is a bad beat post. Also, please don't show the results, it taints discussion. No, you don't get away from this hand. No, she didn't have the nuts. Welcome the forum. Where, oh where is MBE's sticky? CSC
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#3
06-02-2005, 02:53 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
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No, she didn't have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] On a QQJ38 board, QJ is looking pretty good. To the OP: Keep getting your money in in this situation, on average you'll do pretty well.
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#5
06-02-2005, 02:57 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
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How is QJ not the nuts for this hand? [/ QUOTE ] On the off chance you're being serious here, QQ. QJ can chop.
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#6
06-02-2005, 02:58 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
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[ QUOTE ] No, she didn't have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] How is QJ not the nuts for this hand? [/ QUOTE ] Because it is not QQ. Another QJ splits the pot.
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#7
06-02-2005, 02:59 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
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[ QUOTE ] How is QJ not the nuts for this hand? [/ QUOTE ] On the off chance you're being serious here, QQ. [/ QUOTE ] I am being serious. 2 Q's on the board and 1 Q in the players hand. There is one Q left.
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#8
06-02-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No, she didn't have the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] How is QJ not the nuts for this hand? [/ QUOTE ] Because it is not QQ. Another QJ splits the pot. [/ QUOTE ] It is still the best hand possible with the board. Isnt that the nuts?
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#9
06-02-2005, 03:00 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
I edited. Another QJ chops.
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#10
06-02-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: Oh Pokerstars, why has thou forsaken me?
It is the nuts if that's what you're holding. However, if you're holding 33 and the board has two queens, QQ is the nuts. You don't know where the other 2 queens are.
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