Who value bets this river?

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Hero bets and folds to a raise

[krishanleong]

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Hero bets and folds to a raise

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I don't like it. I'd at least consider bet-call.

Krishan

[Grisgra]

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Hero bets and folds to a raise

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I don't like it. I'd at least consider bet-call.

Krishan

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River checkraises tend to mean a lot of strength regardless of the player -- a loose passive just plain isn't checkraising here with less than a straight.

The problem is that you have to worry about the flush -- given the 4-straight on board a straight almost definitely bets this, and if that's all that was out there, this is an obvious value-bet. I think that bet/fold is probably best, but I'd probably either bet/call bcs I'm a fish, or check behind, because I'm a wuss.

[krishanleong]

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River checkraises tend to mean a lot of strength regardless of the player -- a loose passive just plain isn't checkraising here with less than a straight.

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This is also a pretty heavy 2-pair board. So what happens is BB checks his 2 pair to see if UTG has a straight and when you bet, he thinking my 2-pair is good and raises. Or BB folds and UTG decides to take a shot. At 11-1 I think you snap off enough bluffs to be profitable.

I would fold from a cr from UTG if BB calls. Otherwise I think I call the cr.

Krishan

[hypermegachi]

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At 11-1 I think you snap off enough bluffs to be profitable.

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given the size of the pot i don't think anyone is raising to make someone fold. they are raising for value.

[krishanleong]

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At 11-1 I think you snap off enough bluffs to be profitable.

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given the size of the pot i don't think anyone is raising to make someone fold. they are raising for value.

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I gave two scenerios where I think this happens 1/10 times. You don't have to agree.

Krishan

[Grisgra]

I don't think I've *ever* been checkraised on a 4-straight board like this with two pair, ever, much less by a loose passive. And there's the flush possibility out there as well.

Saying that such a play is a bluff 1/10 times seems super-generous. Maybe at an all-TAG tricky table, but that's about it.

[Wynton]

It really is hard for me to imagine either opponent check/raising the river here without beating your trips.

[MrWookie47]

I don't think there's any way I could fold my 2nd set to a single raise. I think the options are bet/call 1 more or fold to 2 more, or just check it.