is this stealing

Ulysses · #1 06-02-2005, 09:56 AM

This is really an oversimplification wrt many types of jobs. The higher you go responsibility-wise, the less important hours become and the more important results become. I've always managed my teams based on results and they've always come through for me. Only when people underperform do the things you mention become issues.

Oski · #2 06-02-2005, 10:45 AM

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This is really an oversimplification wrt many types of jobs. The higher you go responsibility-wise, the less important hours become and the more important results become. I've always managed my teams based on results and they've always come through for me. Only when people underperform do the things you mention become issues.

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Yes. Its more of a performance issue, not a crime. If the employer is not satisfied with the employee's work ethic, habits, work product, etc. he can boot him.

However, example #1 hints at fraud. If you enter an agreement with no intention of performing ... that is fraud. The agreement was that Zee hired someone to watch his sh!t for 8 hours. The guy took the money and booked after 4.

This is why businesses and professionals that pad their hours can be prosecuted: They are charging the client for hours not worked ... therefore, intent is easy to prove because if the work was never done, there was no intent to perform.

Ulysses · #3 06-02-2005, 11:13 AM

Right. There's definitely a distinction for things that involve time-based billing.

CCass · #4 06-02-2005, 12:03 PM

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This is really an oversimplification wrt many types of jobs. The higher you go responsibility-wise, the less important hours become and the more important results become. I've always managed my teams based on results and they've always come through for me. Only when people underperform do the things you mention become issues.

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Well put.

I am in Upper Management, and I am definitely paid to do a job, not by the hour. I surf the net at work when time permits (such as right now). I also am on call 24/7, without additional compensation. I do what it takes to get my job done. Sometimes that means 30 hours in a given week, sometimes 60.