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Old 06-01-2005, 08:18 PM
treeofwisdom7 treeofwisdom7 is offline
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just push A5 dont worry about it in the next 100 games.. what you should worry about is what your calling all ins with.. make sure its not A5.

holla back
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:25 PM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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just push A5 dont worry about it in the next 100 games.. what you should worry about is what your calling all ins with.. make sure its not A5.

holla back

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Thanks....this was very insightful and helpful.

I expect to see a 5% gain in my ROI.

Yugoslav
Do you even know what Zen is discussing???
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:32 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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just push A5 dont worry about it in the next 100 games.. what you should worry about is what your calling all ins with.. make sure its not A5.

holla back

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Thanks....this was very insightful and helpful.

I expect to see a 5% gain in my ROI.

Yugoslav
Do you even know what Zen is discussing???

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is it so hard to put faces in ur sarcastic posts [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img], I dont know what is this thread about, is someone calling all-ins with A5 on the bubble. i lack reading comprehension skills in enlgish( seriously)
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:47 PM
The Yugoslavian The Yugoslavian is offline
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Zen is trying to help the OP by discussing general late game theory as it relates to the hands one is holding.

His point is that, generally speaking, other factors (stack sizes/configurations, blind sizes, position) are more important than what cards you have.

He then goes on to point out, in fact, that some hands may gain or lose value when pushing mainly for FE purposes. That A5 isn't a very good hand b/c when it is called, you rate to be way behind (as many players like to call with high aces). He'd rather push with QJ so that if called he will be behind, but almost never by that much.

My contention is, that if you push with Ax, that means there are only 3 aces in the deck left to make up the hands of the opponent(s) acting behind you. This will have an immediate impact on your FE (as there are fewer Ax hands they can have to call you with). Also, if called by any other non pair hand, Ax rates to be slightly ahead (rather than slightly behind like QJ).

I have no idea how what treeofwisdom said has anything to do with what Zen is very generously documenting for everyone, and I am counterpointing.

My response to treeofwisdom was 100% sarcastic.

Does this help?

Yugoslav
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Old 06-01-2005, 08:52 PM
valenzuela valenzuela is offline
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Does this help?

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yes [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img], ill take A5 any day.
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Old 06-01-2005, 11:28 PM
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nice, thx
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