Animal Based Diet - Very Unhealthy

[The Stranger]

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stranger, where have i "preached" in this thread?

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oh, so this is all an intellectual exercise?

People show try to argue that meat isn't as bad for you as some people think, and you go around and around with them. Same for when Peace John Nickle said that maybe cutting down on meat might help people live healthier.

It would be hard for me to believe that you're arguing this so thoroughly without having an agenda.

My main read on your attitude was your response to Clark about "stupid pills."

I think myself and others are saying basically, "I like to eat meat. It tastes good and satisfies my appetite. I know its not the best thing for me, but hey what good is life if you can't enjoy it?"

A man who drinks rum straight out of the bottle ought to understand that logic.

Plus look at the wording on the topic. I find your word choices interesting. Why do you use the word animal instead of meat? Is it for the same reason that anti-abortion people call a fetus a baby?

You used "Animal Based Diet - Very Unhealthy"

Do you think "Meat consumption - Increased Health Risks" would have steered the dialogue differently?

You're right. You did not directly preach. But I made certain inferences about your intent and your tone concerning this subject.

If I am wrong, I apologize.

[theBruiser500]

"I think myself and others are saying basically, "I like to eat meat. It tastes good and satisfies my appetite. I know its not the best thing for me, but hey what good is life if you can't enjoy it?""

the author in the book has an interesting point on this. you will have a hard time enjoying the quality of life if you are afflicted with illness early in life. assuming animal based diets are unhealthy, it's not like you will suddenly drop dead because of it, more likely you'll have a heart problem, or cancer and some other problem and bad diet will be the reason you can't enjoy life while you are still alive (he states this point much more eloquently than me).

"You used "Animal Based Diet - Very Unhealthy""

animal based diet because that includes cheese and dairy whereas 'meat consumption' does not

to be honest, i didn't even want to continue with this thread and didn't want to respond to the posts that keep coming at me, i only did out of respect to the people who made long considerate posts who want to have a discussion.

"If I am wrong, I apologize."
okay, accepted [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[The Stranger]

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screw you Bruiser.

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MOOOOOOOO!

[BusterStacks]

certain ethnic groups are more susceptible to obesity.

obesity causes caridovascular disease.

Thus, certain ethnic groups are more succeptable to cardiovascular disease.

[theBruiser500]

what ethnic groups, how much more suspectible are they?

[Jakesta]

Black people. Much more.

[BusterStacks]

here's one thing I found using a simple web search:

http://www.post-gazette.com/healthsc...00516hfat3.asp

[Jakesta]

"Why, when it comes to size, are so many sisters living large?"

[A Friggin Cow]

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Black people. Much more.

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and studies have shown that skinny Jewish kids who like to wear pink shirts with the collar popped, and post 100+/day talking sh!t on message boards are far more likely to get their asses kicked than other people.

MOOOOOOO!

[BusterStacks]

Disparities in Ghrelin Levels May Explain Racial Differences in Obesity Rates

By Jennifer Warner
WebMD Medical News

Sept. 14, 2004 -- Black women may be more prone to obesity than white women because they are naturally hungrier, a new study shows.

Researchers found black women had significantly higher levels of the hunger hormone ghrelin after eating than white women -- regardless of their weight, calorie intake, or age.

Ghrelin is a hormone released primarily in the stomach, which is thought to trigger hunger. Ghrelin levels increase dramatically before a meal and then are suppressed for about three hours after eating a meal.

Obesity is a growing epidemic in the U.S., but researchers say African Americans are 1.6 times more likely to be obese than whites. Statistics show that 31% of African Americans are obese compared with 20% of whites.

As a result, researchers say black women suffer from higher rates of obesity-related illnesses, such as diabetes and high blood pressure, than white women.

Hunger Hormone May Vary by Race

In this study, published in the September issue of the Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, researchers looked at whether differences in ghrelin levels after meals might be related to the racial differences seen in obesity rates.

Forty-three women, 22 white and 21 black, followed a controlled diet for four days, and then blood samples were taken two hours after eating identical meals.

Researchers tested the blood for ghrelin and leptin (another hormone linked to obesity) as well as measured 24-hour cortisol levels using urine tests. Elevated cortisol levels are common among obese persons and in those with poorly controlled diabetes; they increase the risk of heart disease.

The study showed that ghrelin levels after the meal were significantly higher among black women versus white women, even after they controlled for the women's body mass index (BMI, a measure of weight in relation to height used to indicate obesity). Ghrelin levels are inversely related to body weight.

Even after adjusting for factors that might alter the level of ghrelin, obese black women had the highest average ghrelin and leptin levels overall.

In addition, higher ghrelin levels were associated with higher cortisol levels in black women but not in white women.

"These findings suggest subnormal [post-meal] ghrelin expression (or faster ghrelin rebound) in black women, especially the obese, that might play a role in their increased prevalence of obesity and cardiovascular disorders," write researcher Kimberly Brownley, PhD, of the University of North Carolina, and colleagues.

Surprisingly, researchers say they also failed to find the normal inverse relationship between ghrelin levels and obesity. Previous reports showed that ghrelin concentrations declined with rising BMI. But in this study ghrelin levels were not significantly lower in obese compared with nonobese women.

Instead, lower ghrelin levels were associated with greater fat around the midsection in white women, but no such relationship was found in black women.


from: http://www.sciencentral.com/articles...e_id=218392039