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#11
05-31-2005, 11:35 AM
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Re: Third Street
Size of the antes & bring-in are important here.
If the deuces are live & i expect to get paid if i pair my doorcard, then i call. If one of 2s are dead, i don't like it, but will call unless it is a game with very small antes & bring-in. With both the 2s dead i fold. (Having a 2 flush with live-cards also helps.) 
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#13
05-31-2005, 01:13 PM
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Re: Third Street
Calling with split Deuces and a Deuce gone, even if you're half-in, is pretty bad. It's 41:1 against you hitting your set on fourth, and nothing else is going to make you like your hand that much.
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#14
05-31-2005, 01:14 PM
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Re: Roy West\'s book: He doesn\'t like two small pairs versus an overpair
Let me state for the record that although Roy West is responsible for the best poker advice ever when evaluated on a per-word basis ("play happy or don't play"*), I'm not a fan of his book.
Oh, you guys knew that already? In a multi-way pot, two small pair suck, especially when your opponents have bigger pairs than yours. With more than one opponent, it is quite likely that someone will draw out on you, and you will have a hard time improving yourself. In the scenario you describe towards the end of your post, you should definitely call with your two pair against five opponents and re-evaluate on fifth street. When you're heads-up, though, you're winning. The other guy will fail to improve more often than not. If his bigger pair is split, you won't always know when he hits his kicker, but you'll know when he hits one of his up-cards. If his pair is in the hole, you'll know when he makes two pair, but won't know if he hits a set. And while you're a big dog to improve, you will sometimes, and since so many people get married to big pairs, you stand to get paid off. Also, there will be at least a little money to fight over. I think that automatically folding two small pair against a presumed big pair is a mistake. And for AdamK, I think that the Clemens quote you're looking for is to the effect that learning to play two pair is as valuable as a college education--and just as expensive. * Honorable mention to Mike Caro for advice on hold'em: "Play big cards." and stud: "Play live cards."
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#16
05-31-2005, 01:25 PM
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Re: Roy West\'s book: He doesn\'t like two small pairs versus an overpai
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I think it was Mark Twain (?) who once said that if you know how to play two pair then you know how to play poker. ( I'm paraphrasing - correct me if i am wrong anyone.) [/ QUOTE ] The power of Google. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] The whole situation reminds me of the famous Mark Twain poker quote: “Learning how to play two pair is as expensive as a college education — and worth just about as much.” from a CardPlayer article by Bob Ciaffone
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#18
06-01-2005, 07:14 PM
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Re: Third Street
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Question on Third Street: You bring it in with (52)2. The player to your left complets with a K. 4 players call. Do you call or fold? [/ QUOTE ] fold. call with (22)5 and live cards, and I ain't ditching my cards on 4th if I have (22)55 even if they aren't fully live.
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