Jacks look good at the flop, but the betting is scary...

[Jakesta]

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I'm thinking maybe I should've just folded there.

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Folding there would be awful. 3-bet, lead the turn.

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How can Hero lead the turn if he is 3rd to act, after the two aggressive players? If he is bet into on the turn then he should just call down, imo. Raising the turn with just the overpair after a capped flop is spewage. Even if it's not capped, I would still just call a turn bet if there is one. Lots of players will stop and go with two pair.

[KSOT]

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Uh, what happened to the read you posted?

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I am sorry about that. It was actually a new player who replaced the calling station who was there previously. GT+ hadn't updated yet, so I didn't notice. I had no read on the new guy.

[Nak]

This is a very intersting hand. I imagine that some replies will try to compare it to the TT example in "Two Overpair Hands" in SSHE. Indeed, it may apply, but it is not clear-cut. The first thing is that there is a poster in, so he could have anything.

Now, in the TT example in SSHE, the question was about pot equity becuase there was no way to protect the TT hand. Here, you might be able to protect your jacks against overcards by 3-betting. If you think you can, then do so. Otherwise I like the way you played. Wait for the turn.

Nak

[nomadtla]

I hate to sound like a repeater but 3 betting is the way to go. There gonna have to give me a lot more for me to put them on two pair. Go to check call after that Queen. But you've played me before on UB so you know I'm an ATM sometimes take my advice lightly.

[Nick Royale]

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Now, in the TT example in SSHE, the question was about pot equity becuase there was no way to protect the TT hand. Here, you might be able to protect your jacks against overcards by 3-betting. If you think you can, then do so. Otherwise I like the way you played. Wait for the turn.

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If OP's plan was to wait to the turn to raise a non scarecard he can't call when the Q hits. It just ain't scary enough. Even if it's not the perfect card it's not setting up for any additional straights and we can't pu anyone on a Q. Calling sucks!

[milesdyson]

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.50. . . . I was a milisecond away from clicking raise there, but... the UTG was a pretty good player I thought and I was worried.

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Kumubou said:
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You have somewhere between 2 and 4-ish outs; I fold this cheese on the flop given that this is the one time this blue moon that the raiser found something other than the 'call any' button.

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Milesdyson frowns. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[PuckNPoker]

I 3 bet this flop. UTG (in order of likelihood) could be pumping a bare 8, overcards, Any pair (shutting out the field to increase his equity), any overpair, or yes 2 pair, a set, or flopped straight.

Now this time he may have any of the last 3 hands, but the vast majority of the time he does not. Folding is obviously horrible, calling and raising a "safe" turn card isnt bad but I dont think situation warrants it. And I dont think the Q hurt you on the turn (imho), you either are beat on the flop or way ahead on the turn.

[lies]

when you are holding jacks you always "feel" as if you are beat
you just gotta 3bet the flop and go from there

[smartalecc5]

Give me a 3
Give me a BET
What the spell? 3-BET!

[Nak]

Here are some pokerstove results for this hand. Against random hands, your pot equity does not go down by that much when the Q hits (less than I thought). This definitely supports 3-betting the flop if you believe the evidence. I mean, I know that the hands aren't random in this example, but they may as well be the way these people play.

Nak


11,647,424 games 86.274 secs 135,005 games/sec

Board: 6s 9d 7c Qh
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 35.7025 % [ 00.36 00.00 ] { JhJd }
Hand 2: 21.4271 % [ 00.21 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 21.4380 % [ 00.21 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 4: 21.4324 % [ 00.21 00.01 ] { random }


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6,548,562 games 59.917 secs 109,293 games/sec

Board: 6s 9d 7c
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 38.8222 % [ 00.38 00.00 ] { JhJd }
Hand 2: 20.4025 % [ 00.19 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 3: 20.3791 % [ 00.19 00.01 ] { random }
Hand 4: 20.3962 % [ 00.19 00.01 ] { random }


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