ATs and I'm clueless

ElAnimal · #1 05-24-2005, 10:37 AM

Button is a 2+2-type TAG. I'm picking the hands I really f'd up to post, so flame away. Who check/folds the flop? Does anybody check/fold the turn? I think the river should've been a check/call if not a check/fold but the bet/call was complete crap (I don't know what came over me).

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, Button calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.66 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.66 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.66 BB

jackdaniels · #2 05-24-2005, 10:49 AM

Looks like you got a pretty shitty flop for your hand. Betting the flop and getting called usually means one thing - your opponent has a diamond or thinks you don't have one.

My line here would depend on the type of player opponent is. If he is agressive, I would bet the flop, check the turn with the intention of Raising (and folding to a 3 bet) - check/call the river. Against tighter opposition or a calling station - bet the flop, check/fold turn, check/call river (could easily be A of diamonds/worse kicker that missed for a calling station).

pauliewalnuts · #3 05-24-2005, 11:01 AM

I think the flop bet is fine into only 3 opponents. A lot of times you'll pick up the pot right there. After the button calls, I'm probably check/folding the turn. I dont really think it is worth fighting for anymore with such few outs, a couple of which are extremely dirty. I might throw out a desperation bet on the turn hoping he'll fold, but when he raises, I'm definitely out. But since you called, I'd check/call the ace on the river.

DeathDonkey · #4 05-24-2005, 11:09 AM

Fold to the turn raise. Check/folding the turn isn't bad either. You are either drawing dead or to three outs and the Ace isn't one of them. I like button for QTs but a flush wouldn't surprise me.

-DeathDonkey

peterchi · #5 05-24-2005, 11:15 AM

I'm gonna fire away at that flop like you did. You know he's tight so you might be able to take it down.

His call is concerning though. Unlike a good percentage of the non-thinking players, if he calls the flop he's not likely to fold the turn, and he's also not likely to be still holding anything that you beat, here. I check/fold the turn.

27offsooot · #6 05-24-2005, 11:17 AM

fold somewhere. Turn sounds good.

daveymck · #7 05-24-2005, 12:18 PM

Have to fold the turn once he raises you.

I dont understand the river bet and I understand even less the call of the river raise.

chief444 · #8 05-24-2005, 12:26 PM

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Button is a 2+2-type TAG

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Then the preflop coldcall combined with the flop call is a bad thing for you. With the K falling you can probably still justify the turn bet but I don't think you should call the raise.

grtflone · #9 05-24-2005, 12:28 PM

I check fold this flop. Too greater chance that any outs you do have are tainted by Diamonds.

And, I'd REALLY fold to that turn raise.

There's some spewage here.

2planka · #10 05-24-2005, 12:39 PM

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Fold to the turn raise.

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