Dammit, Im not Gay

[Bulldog]

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but hates girl-girl gay?

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I don't think you would want to see many real girl-girl relationships anyways...

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Veronica-Rachel?

[Blarg]

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Yes, there are degrees of gayness.

Even beyond the flamboyant personality / clothing / behaviour of some gay men compared to others.

My friend X is a little bit gay. He'll make out with guys, and has stuck it in a dude's pooper on occasion, but usually prefers women.

My friend Y on the other hand will only stick it in dude's poopers, and finds straight people making out a little bit icky (kind of the way 8 year old boys find kissing in movies icky like you totally don't understand WTF they are doing).

X is a little bit gay, Y is a lot gay.

Plus to OP, grow the **** up. The world, and even MTV's programming, doesn't revolve around what you want. Just man up and accept that sometimes you're not going to get what you want and that throwing a temper tantrum on OOT isn't going to change that.

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That seems a little bit harsh to the OP. As to the "degrees of gayness," Kinsey proposed a sliding scale that seems to be both accepted and rejected depending who you ask, but it's a concept that is pretty commonly accepted by scientific, er...laymen, and I agree with you there.

As far as cricisms of dudes for their feelings goes, I don't particularly like watching gay people make out, or hearing it. That doesn't make someone a homophobe or hater or anything; it's an instinctual thing that comes before judgment and decision making. These things are biological, not political.

I've shared apartments and rooms with gay guys, and had tons of gay friends(Los Angeles), but that doesn't mean I'm not going to have an instinctive "ewww...yuck!" factor. It's only human, and probably a lot more people have it by far than don't. Just like some gay guys have told me they're not just disinterested in but turned off by the idea of hetero sex.

As to whether you can control a t.v. show, of course you can't. But, the people making them know full well they'll gross out most of their viewers by showing gay make-out sessions -- especially male ones. That's not really arguable. How big a deal it is, is up to the viewers, I guess. If the makers of the program guess wrong on that, there are always market forces to let them know.

[jdl22]

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Is it possible to be extremely gay? I think there's pretty much one degree of gayness kinda like there's one degree of pregnancy. You're not gonna ask a guy if he's gay and have him respond "A little, but the dude I'm banging is really f'in gay"


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I hear people refer to pregnant women as extremely pregnant or really pregnant all the time. Tends to indicate a really obvious pregnancy.

[jakethebake]

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you do make a great point. i cant remember the last time MTV was on in my house.

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ten years ago in mine, best I can figure.

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A couple of days ago my wife was watching TV. She was flipping through channels one by one. The last one she happened to be on was MTV before she manually changed to a specific channel. She left the room after a few minutes and I just wanted to turn Oprah or whatever the [censored] she was watching off so I hot the "last" button and it went back to MTV. I didn't even look to see what I had turned to and just kept playing with my kids. Well then my wife comes back in the room and is like WTF? Sine when do you watch MTV? This was the first time my TV has been on MTV for more than 1 second in probably 10 years.

[thatpfunk]

I'm telling you, you're missing out. Watching dating shows on MTV is like watching a train wreck- it is hilarious.

[Pocket Trips]

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True, but society attributes flamboyant and perky male behavior with being homosexual. And we're associating different degrees of this flamboyancy with different degrees of homosexuality. Obviously once you're boning dudes you are gay, and that is that.

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Thats like the promo for some upcoming HBO special about porn. There is a guy who says "I'm a gay porn star but I'm straight" My 1st reaction is always " if you suck one cock you're a [censored]."

[Wozza]

If you can imagine the most macho person that ever lived and put that person way over there on the left. Now imagine the most effeminate person, and put them over on the right. Now draw a line joining the two.

EVERYONE appears on that line somewhere, between hard and masculine and soft and feminine. Their position may change every now and then depending on circumstances and you will find people of the opposite sex on both sides of you. But there is no 'line in the sand'.

[billyjex]

come on, wheres the hot tub pic...


but i agree, i hate the dude on dude stuff on mtv. but i dig the chick on chick action.

face it, chicks on chicks is sexy. even girls will tell you that.

but no one finds dude on dude action hot. except for big steve and the rest of the gay clan.

[Pocket Trips]

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Also MTV doesnt try to represent the Real World. Otherwise they would have dating shows with fat girls, Star Wars fans, Racists, Paraplegics, and the Mentally Retarded.


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I would pay damn good money to watch a show like this [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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If you can imagine the most macho person that ever lived and put that person way over there on the left. Now imagine the most effeminate person, and put them over on the right. Now draw a line joining the two.

EVERYONE appears on that line somewhere, between hard and masculine and soft and feminine. Their position may change every now and then depending on circumstances and you will find people of the opposite sex on both sides of you. But there is no 'line in the sand'.

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And macho and effeminate don't really have a necessary correlation to gay or straight. Lots of gays and people panicked about their sexuality are heavily into being macho. And I guess we can say that the real flaming effeminate guys are pretty certainly gays, but I think a lot of that is for show, and even most of them aren't like that all the time. It's probably not too reliable to just think a guy who seems effeminate is gay or not gay. I've seen guys who act super-fruity who are straight, and I know I've seen lots of gay guys who don't mince around and who you would never know are gay.