Missed valuebet and turnbet?

[Stoli7]

Opponent tight passive. This is a standard river bet?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: (2.20 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (4.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 4.20 BB

Opponents are loose/tight passive. Usually I bet turn here but checked this time. Any thoughts about the freecard play?
The more I think about it I lean toward always betting the turn. Both are probably drawing most of the time and the hand does not have enough clean outs if behind to be worth worrying about a check-raise.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.70 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks.

Final Pot: 4.70 BB

[Entity]

#1, against a tight passive, I'm check-folding the turn. I don't see a ton of value in a river bet if your reads are accurate.

#2 is an easy river value bet. I don't mind checking the turn here -- sometimes I bet and sometimes I check, it really depends on how often I feel that my opponents will bluff the river, how often they'll peel the flop but fold to any non-pairing turns, etc.

Rob

[Ivanapolis]

</font><blockquote><font class="small">In Antwort auf:</font><hr />
#1, against a tight passive, I'm check-folding the turn. I don't see a ton of value in a river bet if your reads are accurate.

#2 is an easy river value bet. I don't mind checking the turn here -- sometimes I bet and sometimes I check, it really depends on how often I feel that my opponents will bluff the river, how often they'll peel the flop but fold to any non-pairing turns, etc.

Rob

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I ABSOLUTLY agree. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[spydog]

Hand 1: If your opponent is tight-passive, then you could probably show an immediate profit by raising this preflop and betting any flop.

Hand 2: Easy river bet. If UTG bets into you, then I would raise and fold to a 3-bet. I agree with Entity about sometimes checking, sometimes betting this turn.

[StellarWind]

1st hand:

Betting the turn against a tight/passive is self-destructive. Checkfold and hope for a free card.

Your best shot on the river is probably to induce the busted flush/OESD to bluff. You won't be called by many worse hands. Still you might catch a seven or small pocket, so betting could be right. It's close IMO.

Note that I would definitely vote for check except that bad aces got kicker relief on the river. Now I expect him to usually bet behind with any ace. Normally I would hope for many free showdowns from weak aces.

If you do bet you will often be raised by a slowplaying five, set (even aces), or AK/AQ/A7. This should be safe to fold, but if you don't agree then definitely don't bet, because you'll payoff like an ATM.

[Stoli7]

1.
Hero shows [ 6h, Qs ] two pairs, queens and fives.
Button doesn't show [ 9s, 7s ] two pairs, sevens and fives.
Hero wins with two pairs, queens and fives.

2.
BB checks.
UTG checks.
Hero bets.
BB folds.
UTG folds.