Online Poker - Almost Certainly Rigged

[mojobluesman]

The answer is certainly not 0 because I know how to count outs and saw the opponents hand when we showed down.

I will keep all hand histories in the future, but the site in question today does not offer them.

I was not surprised by the response I got. That's why I went out of my way to suggest to others to at least listen to what I have to say with an open mind. A polite request for HHs was certainly reasonable. Unfortunately I don't have them and I realize that doesn't smell very good either. However, the types of responses I did get were not very mature or professional. To me, if you were to trust what I am saying at all (or don't dismiss it out of hand) it's fairly apparent that the assumption should be one of concern about the games and not an automatic dismissal as a statistical oddity.

[GrunchCan]

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The answer is certainly not 0 because I know how to count outs and saw the opponents hand when we showed down.

I will keep all hand histories in the future, but the site in question today does not offer them.

I was not surprised by the response I got. That's why I went out of my way to suggest to others to at least listen to what I have to say with an open mind. A polite request for HHs was certainly reasonable. Unfortunately I don't have them and I realize that doesn't smell very good either. However, the types of responses I did get were not very mature or professional. To me, if you were to trust what I am saying at all (or don't dismiss it out of hand) it's fairly apparent that the assumption should be one of concern about the games and not an automatic dismissal as a statistical oddity.

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If you expect trust, you must give it.

You have said:
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I haven't been keeping all my hand histories because I've been impoving at such a rapid rate

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You are in a learning stage, as is everyone. You know this and have said as much. And yet you refuse to believe that you overestimated your chances to win the pot? For example, just becasue you lost to an opponent who sucked out one of 4 outs does not mean you were a 43:4 favorite on the flop.

"A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."

[droolie]

I have gone through all your posts and have come to the conclusion you are in need of a break...I am doing this to help you not to be mean...Here is a sampling of some of your posts. They show a guy in search of answers and struggling to win. Almost every post you have made is complaining about a hand you lost and asking what you did wrong. You have officially taken the trip off the deep end with your poker is rigged post and you need help...I hope you can see it's you not poker that's the problem...

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OK now that I admitted what a moron I am, would someone please honestly admit to me how often they make mistakes like this in an average hour (or similar mistakes). I find myself leaving money on the table at least once per hour by not betting the river for value or by making some other such mistake.

I think I have gotten so used to bad beats, I have come to expect bad things to happen and now it's hurting me when I actually get good cards (like I've been getting all day today....FINALLY!!!!!)



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I play for the reload bonuses because it's obvious that I'm not good enough to win money just playing based on my results. I also don't enjoy it enough to lose money just to play. As a matter of fact, I don't think too many people are actually winning at $1-$2 and higher because based on some of the advice I read here, it's obvious to me that I am a better player than most and I admit I can't win.

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I am getting buried so far!

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Going down the "poker is rigged road" is your last ditch effort at saving your sanity from suffering through a long breakeven stretch. You know you're a good player but somehow you aren't getting the results you deserve commesurate with your play. You brain needs convincing that there must be a reason for this happening to you. There is no reason other than, it happens. It happens to everybody regardless of whether they are a whore or not. It just happens to be your turn and unfortunatley it came early in your career when you were unable to emotionally handle the brutal reality of variance and random chance. You are just on a bad run. Forget about it. Your play seems good and your analysis is excellent. Take a break and come back with a clean state of mind. You are losing it dude. I honestly hope you can laugh at this line of thought two months from now when you get your head on str8 and start winning like you certainly should be. If you alter your whoring routine it will seem like that got you off the secret blacklist and out of your funk but it really will not be the case. It will be water finding it's level. Keep whoring, start winning. But for now take a break!

[mojobluesman]

Of course I may have overestimated my chances of winning the hand early on, but not on the river because I saw the cards.

[Peter Harris]

if you no longer believe the site to be legitimately secure, what on earth motivates you to continue playing there?

This stuff happens. A lot. Your sample is small and there have been many worse. I bet all of us with 100k hands will have seen this occur a few times, you are not looking at the big picture - these moron players are ATMs and people like us are the ones cashing in.

If you are genuinely sceptical, stop playing online. Complaining here will not elicit sympathy (people have tried before, and with just as little evidence). We play to win. Online sites allow us to do that. The millions of dollars they are making mean they don't "need" to keep poor players chipped up. Spare the conspiracy theory.

Regards,
Pete Harris

[mojobluesman]

Thanks for not insulting me and giving your best advice.

[scotty34]

Nice and well thought out/researched response. Nothing more useful can really be said. Please let this thread die now.

[btspider]

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Is it at least clear why I would think some people are naive?

There are 2 possibilities.

1. I experienced an absolutely amazing statistical event.
2. Something is amiss at an unspecified unregulated gambling site.

Pardon me but I wasn't born yesterday, so I vote for #2 with my money.

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3. your determination for absolutely amazing statistical event is flawed

[Vagrant]

omg your right the sites are rigged in favored of regulars!!. I have only played 6000 hands on party poker and got a royal flush. Thats a 1 to 650,000 shot!! this is statistically impossible. Or maybe i have no understanding of what probability really means. idiot.

[Brain]

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stick it in her pooper


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I pretty much assumed this was the Official Thread Ender. Why are we still talking about this?

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This is a new response to many in this forum who don't frequent OOT. They have yet to learn the ways. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]