What should have i done differently?

Sightless · #1 05-16-2005, 10:44 AM

Any Advice, Im pretty new to poker

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, Hero raises, UTG+1 3-bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17.75 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has 3c Kc (flush, king high).
Hero has Qd Jd (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins 17.75 BB.

kiddj · #2 05-16-2005, 10:47 AM

Raise PF.
Just call the river.
Start a buddy list.
Put UTG+1 on buddy list.

@bsolute_luck · #3 05-16-2005, 10:49 AM

i ignore the results at the bottom, but for others in future posts, don't include them 'til others have replied.

i'd have played it the flop same. waited for the turn and if it is a non-[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] have bet/raised, but some might 3-bet the flop.

the turn, i'd have played the same. just call the river raise.

wireMan · #4 05-16-2005, 10:54 AM

I would raise this preflop.
Flop, don't like all that black, and who knows how it plays after a pf raise. But as it sits, I would recommend a 3-bet here. Top pair, good kicker, maybe get a free card on the turn.
Turn is a nice card. I'd play that the same.
River, I don't raise at this point. Something caused UTG+1 to wake up after the turn play: A straight? Don't know, but I don't raise here.

Let's see how what the results were?
Okay, not a straight

bozlax · #5 05-16-2005, 11:10 AM

I'd have done 3 things differently:

1. Raise preflop.
2. 3-bet the flop. Your strong preflop hand has become strong-yet-vulnerable with this many players, and you need to protect it. If you 3-bet, UTG+1 is only getting 5.75-1 to call your bet, and unless he's got 2 spades or AQ he's probably going to be wrong.
3. River the Q:clubs: for the lucksack suckout boat and WIN!

P.S. Don't include the results in your post. It definitely skewed my thinking for a minute on #2, but I've corrected for it.

Zoelef · #6 05-16-2005, 11:36 AM

Raise Preflop. With 3 limpers and two blinds + the button to act, you have enough equity to raise - you are around ~24% to flop two pair, trips, or 4 to a straight and/or flush draw, so if you can get 5+ people to the flop you want to at least start some action here.

24% > 20%, so raise.

That said, I don't like this flop two back to me - I have TPGK but I don't have any redraws other than my Q's and J's, and the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] is still out there...you're getting ~ 4.75-1 (assuming UTG+1 calls) and you only have ~4.5 outs (2 queens, 2.5 jacks discounting the J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) so I fold.

<Insert slew of replies chastising my weakness>

Chex · #7 05-16-2005, 11:57 AM

Raise PF, 3bet flop, then it looks alright.

rfsch · #8 05-16-2005, 12:58 PM

Raising preflop gets rid of some hangers-on. BTW the will someone fill me in on the "results in the white below" comment. What "white below" Don't see anything. Thanks.

Chex · #9 05-16-2005, 01:20 PM

Highlight the empty space below with click-scroll on your mouse, you will see the results.

gopnik · #10 05-16-2005, 01:24 PM

I am not sure if I'd cold-call 2 on the flop, but I'd cap the river