ATo UTG

Quercus · #1 05-15-2005, 06:27 PM

MP2 is very loose, aggressive
MP3 is loose, passive

I didn't like this hand - couldn't put my finger on why.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, Button folds, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, MP3 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

River: (8.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

2+2 wannabe · #2 05-15-2005, 06:30 PM

fold PF - other than that i like it

i'm assuming a set got scared of the flush

HollywoodDB · #3 05-15-2005, 06:58 PM

I fold this preflop in a heartbeat. But, I am a donk.

aK13 · #4 05-15-2005, 06:58 PM

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fold PF - other than that i like it

i'm assuming a set got scared of the flush

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This hand is playable preflop from UTG. I think the hand looks fine.

Prof. Chaos · #5 05-15-2005, 07:02 PM

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fold PF - other than that i like it

i'm assuming a set got scared of the flush

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This hand is playable preflop from UTG. I think the hand looks fine.

[/ QUOTE ]no its not, it has no suitedness, and is only marginally strong in regards to high card. I would hate to limp with this and have to call a raise. Easily dominated hand, unless you hit TP with the T. He got a decent flop, but thats because God was looking down on him and noticed his poor preflop play.

Fold this PF, and forget about the flop.

grjr · #6 05-15-2005, 07:21 PM

I'll raise ATo UTG on certain .50/1 tables that are playing more weak/tight than usual. In 30,000 hands I've raised ATo UTG 10 times, winning 6 times for a BB/hand of 1.63. The BB/hand would have been twice that but a guy called my flopped trip aces all the way with 99 and hit a 9 on the river.

So I think it's a good play on the weaker tables especially if they're starting to respect your raises a little too much.

dozer · #7 05-15-2005, 07:21 PM

I don't play AT offsuit from that position either, and my vpip is 19%, so I don't think you will be missing much by playing this hand UTG. I would rather play A2 suited than AT offsuit from that position. Offsuit hands suck when out of position, especially in multi-way pots. I fold KJ offsuit as well.

Post-flop looks fine. Agianst a LAG I don't mind going into check call mode on the turn and river. Kind of odd that MP2 didn't bet the turn though, most LAGs would bet here.

Quercus · #8 05-15-2005, 07:22 PM

ATo is only -.07EV for the avreage player over a large number of hands (see Pokerroom db). Since the average includes both good and bad players, it is a reasonable assumption that good postflop players will find ATo +EV to play.

EDIT: EV value is for early position.

GrunchCan · #9 05-15-2005, 07:23 PM

ATo is not a universal fold from UTG, but I usually do. In the cases where I don't fold UTG, I'm opening for a raise. I will never openlimp with ATo - in any position.

istewart · #10 05-15-2005, 07:30 PM

Limping ATo at .5/1 is not as horrible as everyone makes it out to be. I very rarely do it personally, but Shill had a post here awhile back that if you're raising AJo UTG, how bad could playing ATo be?