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Old 05-14-2005, 09:31 AM
maddo maddo is offline
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Default What to do with pair+OESD

UB $30+3
43 remaining. Top 10 pay.

LAYITALLDOWN is at seat 0 with 1510.
HERO is at seat 1 with 2430.
cms711 is at seat 2 with 1965.
PDH is at seat 3 with 1510.
heynow21 is at seat 4 with 1330.
BigheadDee is at seat 5 with 1420.
gonuts is at seat 7 with 3135.
damnbrit_1072 is at seat 8 with 3280.
arbella1914 is at seat 9 with 4410.
The button is at seat 0.

HERO posts the small blind of 30.
cms711 posts the big blind of 60.

LAYITALLDOWN: -- --
HERO: 9d 9c
cms711: -- --
PDH: -- --
heynow21: -- --
BigheadDee: -- --
gonuts: -- --
damnbrit_1072: -- --
arbella1914: -- --

Pre-flop:

PDH folds.
heynow21 folds.
BigheadDee calls.
gonuts raises to 140.
damnbrit_1072 folds.
arbella1914 folds.
LAYITALLDOWN folds.
HERO calls.
cms711 folds.
BigheadDee calls.

So I call 110 more to see a flop.

Flop (board: Th 7c 8d):

HERO checks.
BigheadDee bets 60.
gonuts raises to 375.
HERO ?

So I have a pair and an OESD. Can I just call here?
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Old 05-14-2005, 10:55 PM
Rushmore Rushmore is offline
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Default Re: What to do with pair+OESD

[ QUOTE ]
HERO checks.
BigheadDee bets 60.
gonuts raises to 375.
HERO ?

So I have a pair and an OESD. Can I just call here?

[/ QUOTE ]

Urg, arg, blecch, arg, yikes, ack, blecch.

Will you get paid off if you make your straight on the turn?
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Old 05-15-2005, 04:21 AM
maddo maddo is offline
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Default Re: What to do with pair+OESD

Well I'd like to think I'd get a few more chips out of him if I hit the straight. But wait, it's possible I have the best hand right now - maybe he has something like AK/AQ? I get concerned with situations like this. If I call and miss, then what. So should I raise here?
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Old 05-15-2005, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: What to do with pair+OESD

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Well I'd like to think I'd get a few more chips out of him if I hit the straight. But wait, it's possible I have the best hand right now - maybe he has something like AK/AQ? I get concerned with situations like this. If I call and miss, then what. So should I raise here?

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It's a bad spot.

The original bettor must have something, right? Now, granted, he might lay down here, but you don't know what's up with him because you're not closing the action.

Then, when the other guy makes the big raise after raising preflop, it really looks like he might well be holding JJ or QQ, as his bet looks like it wants precisely no calls.

I suppose it is possible that in light of these facts, a push might pick up the pot for you, and of course, you have outs if you're behind and called.

Or you could muck your pair/OESD, which, again, might not get paid off if you call and hit.

P.S. In case I forgot to mention it, you're not ahead about 85% of the time here.
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