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Old 05-14-2005, 01:07 PM
AZK AZK is offline
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Default Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

Assume you have 150BB and your opponent has you covered. Assume all bets/raises/reraises are pot sized for convenience. You make it 4BBs to go UTG with QQ, a player after you makes it 12BBs to go with AA. You know he has AA, there is no question. You call and see a flop heads up of Qxxr. What is the best line to get this players money in, out of position, if this player is:

A) A rock.
B) A maniac.
C) A smart lag.
D) A well-respected 2+2er.
E) Solid.
F) A superb hand reader.
G) Tight/passive/quiet player.
H) Crazy unpredictable/running insanely hot.

Part II: Assume that you have position.


A friend and I spent the entire ride down to the casino one day, about an hour, thinking of just this situation against the dozen or so regular players we see in our 5/10 game and all of their different styles. I feel like thinking of situations and how you want to face them against different opponent styles improved my game that day even if the specific situation didn't come up.

I'll post my thoughts later on in the day.
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:19 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

what sidecards of XX are pretty important because players will play different when the board has 2 or 3 flush, 2 or 3 straight etc. I'll assume a broken, uncoordinated board and I will give my opinions which may/may not be correct.

A) A rock.

***refer to part 'G'

B) A maniac.

***doesnt matter. the money is going to get in there no matter what you do. i would probably play it fast, just in case the board got scary on the turn for the maniac.

C) A smart lag.

***lead into him and he'll raise you. do your best to represnt either AQ or KK. just call his flop reraise and let him set the rest in on the later streets.

D) A well-respected 2+2er.

***refer to 'F'

E) Solid.

***lead into him and he'll raise. then either reraise or call, based on the size of his reraise and his skill level.

F) A superb hand reader.

****lead into him the way you would play AQ or KK here. if you get raised, play it like you have AQ or KK and are worried about AA. all the money wont be going in here probably, just get maximum value out of him. if you dont get raised and he just calls, value bet with reasonble shots on each street.

G) Tight/passive/quiet player.

****getting the money in will be really hard here. even if he hits a set, the money may not even get in. value bet him and get what you can.

H) Crazy unpredictable/running insanely hot.

****lead into him. he'll raise and then you reraise. no need to do anything slow.
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:31 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

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H) Crazy unpredictable/running insanely hot.


[/ QUOTE ]

In position: fold. Turn: A. River: A.

Out of position: Check/fold. See above.

-dB
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:46 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

A- check call flop. lead turn. lead river.
B- Check call flop and turn, and overbet on river.
C- Lead flop, call his raise. Check, call turn. And fire on river.
D- Same as C.
E- Same as D.
F- Check raise the flop and go from there.
G- check/raise flop and lead the next 2 streets.
H- Check call flop, check/raise turn. lead river.

Part II:
I'd basically raise the flop on all of these if you KNOW he has AA or KK.
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Old 05-14-2005, 02:55 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

I'm a fan of:

A) check/call flop, lead turn small.
B) bet small on the flop, hope he raises, call. lead turn again.
C) check-raise, maybe? Who would checkriase with topset on a harmless board? He could think you are putting a move on him? Either that or I like the lead, check turn, bet river.
D) check/call. Lead turn.
E) 1/2 pot bets on every street.
F) lead, check turn, bet river.
G) call flop, lead turn, river
H) overbet.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

I love your line for F. as a superb hand reader will never put you on the set if you checkraise the flop. Assuming you have established your solid player but occasional bluffer image with him.
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

F) A superb hand reader.

Pot it on the flop, check-call turn, and pot/overbet river. If you see 2 to the flush which doesn't hit, you can overbet pretty nicely on the river.
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Old 05-14-2005, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: Elementary stacking questions with QQ vs AA/KK

if the flop falls really ragged with no draw the 'super hand reader' knows you are either on a stone bluff or have a set. most players are not going to try a large check-raise in this spot so once he evaluates how the hand has played out, a bluff is going to be really unlikely in his eyes. i think that all he can put you on here is either a big pair of KK or a set (and more likely a set)

i prefer leading the flop in hopes of getting raised, then checking the turn trying to represent an AQ or KK
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