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Old 05-12-2005, 12:06 AM
medaugh medaugh is offline
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Default real hand (this time) help 99 on suited board

flop play is a big question

Positive UTG 2 has flush draw

Not sure on MP 2 player

here we go:
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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Hero ?

Also how would you count the outs? I count the 3 non club 8's as full and the 2 nines as 1 with the 9 of clubs giving me a big redraw. so i count 4.

BTW preflop is ok with just one back to me
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:15 AM
aK13 aK13 is offline
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Default Re: real hand (this time) help 99 on suited board

I'd fold this.

Raise preflop (I don't usually do it, but everyone here is going to say it, so I'm jumping on the bandwagon).

You're getting 6 to 1 to make the call. With 4 outs, you need 10 to 1.
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Old 05-12-2005, 03:05 AM
Bodhi Bodhi is offline
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Default Re: real hand (this time) help 99 on suited board

Fold the flop. I think the way you count your outs might be a little conservative. Your outs are less than 100% not so much because someone will make a flush, but because sometimes you will split if you catch an 8. For some reason I used to think my straights are invincible when I have the PP, but I've learned that splits still happen here.

Whether to limp or raise utg with 99 depends on the table. With the number of callers you're likely to get at .25/.50, you can raise for value.
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