Suggestions for Wynn

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I could not imagine a poker room that did not call string bets, especially a higher-end poker room such as Wynn.

It's a California rule. There are some very big poker rooms that do it like this.



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I'm a California player at a place that leaves it to the players to call string bets. Albeit, a very small room. The people making the string bets are usually very live newbies and there is really no reason to tap the aquarium. But if you think someone is angle shooting, you can call him on it. Making the new people comfortable is more important than rules lawyerring.

[Glider]

I have to agree with Mason and disagree with some of the others about putting some mid-limit games on the rail. At a high-roller property like Wynn, I don't think you need to be worried that $5 or $10 chips will scare people. They are more likely to be drawn in by all the action and want to give it a shot.

Although better for the poker room, new players who are willing to play high are probably the same people who would be playing green chips at craps or other house games, so from an overall casino perspective it might make sense not to steer them towards poker.

[anduril]

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4. String bet rule. According to one of the floorman, dealers are not suppose to call a "string bet" unless it is blantant. This is clearly the worse of all worlds. Dealers should either call a string bet, or not. Leaving something open to interpretation is a sure formula for disaster.

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Depending on the day you're there, at Foxwoods I've had a floorperson tell me, "a dealer cannot call a string bet, and only another player in the current hand may call a string bet." I got yelled at by the dealer and floorperson because a player in a hand I wasn't in made a string bet in a NL game that was clearly to get a reaction from his opponent.

This is not uncommon for Foxwoods to have conflicting rules, as I was once at a 1-2NL game, put a player all-in, and the dealer actually tossed back 2 white chips in his direction and said, "those don't play while all-in." THE BIG BLIND WAS TWO DOLLARS. They are extremely lucky they're the only game in town.

[tylerdurden]

I'm confused... should they be showcasing the low-limit games on the rail to draw in newbies or should they be jacking up the food prices to maintain the ultra-expensive brand??

[Jeffage]

I agree with you about mid limit games on the rail. At the Taj in AC, 20-40 games are put on the (very large) rail and there is often a big crowd watching them. They seem to like huge red chip pots that take two shoves to get to their owner. Also, for tourists willing to drop a grand gambling (and there are many of them), something like 3-6 will seem really cheap when they watch. Something like 20-40 probably won't seem as big as it actually is b/c of the red chips. It will seem like a fun game with big pots that's accessible. The action at these games is fantastic and there are new faces all the time.

The Borgata keeps 20-40 and higher in a separate high limit area. The games are very good, but I imagine they'd be much better if they were in plain site to tourists who want a peak rather than in a separate section that some don't think it's ok to enter.

Jeff

[MaxPower]

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If people who play games like $20-$40, $40-$80, or $80-$160 want privacy, then they have no understanding how poker works, particularly in the games they play. Virtually all the players I know at these limits look forward to fresh live money. It's the lifeblood of a cardroom. You remind me of an ex-Las Vegas manager who ruined a fair number of rooms. His attitude was keep the games small, have everyone roughly break even, and collect the rake. A successful poker room doesn't work that way.


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This seems to be a common view among posters in the Internet Forum. They think the best thing for an online poker room would be to have all the players be fish and have them all slowly lose to the rake. They think the rooms would be better off without the winners who are going to be long term customers.

I keep tyring to tell them they are wrong but nobody is buying my arguments.

[Huskiez]

I am speaking from my own perspective as a player, so maybe it is much different in the perspective of the casino. But I find fault with point 2, regarding which games to spread.

I play almost exclusively NL, and I found it surprising that you would want Wynn to almost abolish that game. I think NLHE is one of the main reasons poker is so popular right now. I know at Bellagio the waiting lists for NLHE were ridiculously long, and they spread at least six tables (3 each of 2-5 and 5-10).

One comment regarding your statement about using games with mixed skill and luck, so you can cater to both groups. Why should the Wynn care about the highly skilled players that much? As long as the poor players are there, the highly skilled players will come, because the games will be juicy. Of course you want to cater to the world class pros, but I am talking about the decent players.

Spreading games that have the greatest demand makes sense to me. That's why I think NLHE should have quite a few tables, and LHE is always popular. A couple stud, maybe an Omaha. I think abolishing NL would be a bad idea. I don't think there's too much demand for PL or spread limit, but I could be wrong.

[J.A.Sucker]

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FYI, a poker player may order a bottle of Hennessy Timeless off of the room service menu for a mere $8,000.

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Not this week, 'cause The Mason and his posse bought the whole stock during his Saturday night bender.

[meep_42]

Mason,

Is it possible that you're overlooking a little bit of glaring reality in your suggestion to put mid-limit games on the rail?

In my (limited) experience, these games aren't always going -- so, in order to have a game on the rail at all times, aren't card rooms pretty much forced to put the lower limit or more popular (2/4, 4/8, 1/2 NL) games on the rail? Should the casino move the players of this game once a bigger game opens up?

I defer to your much greater experience or casinos and cardrooms if this is not the case.

-d

[andyfox]

"the Commerce Casino, the world's largest B&M poker room has, I understand, quit spreading $15-$30 and $30-$60."

This is not so. The games are spread, but there's usually not more than one of each; whereas it's not unusual to have four or five 20-40s and 40-80s going. I don't think it's because of the structure because they've been now spreading a 60-120 game with the 2/3 small blind structure. (However, they will only spread the 60-120 when the next highest game is 100-200; when it's 80-160, they will not spread the 60-120.)