AA, Bad bet to begin with, crying call?

free=good · #1 05-08-2005, 03:53 PM

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 6 folds, SB calls $1.13 (All-In), BB calls.

Flop: (5.63 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.81 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

River: (5.81 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.81 BB

Should I have bet the river here to begin with, then should I have thrown it away after the c/r?

badplayer · #2 05-08-2005, 04:06 PM

A read would be helpful. But if you're like me, 3- or 4-tabling without PV or GT+, without any significant reads, then I think you played it fine.

free=good · #3 05-08-2005, 04:12 PM

Yeah, reads would have been nice, but it was the first orbit and I had zero hands on this guy. I see this type of thing a bunch though, and I feel I may be making a few too many of these calls with my unimproved big hands.

Nick C · #4 05-08-2005, 04:30 PM

I don't think it's a bad bet to begin with. There are a lot of things BB could be calling with (that he'll call with again on the river) besides a flush draw or a hand that contains a 4.

I would call the checkraise against an unknown, but I wouldn't be very happy about it.

bozlax · #5 05-08-2005, 04:30 PM

Don't change a thing. You played your aces fast, AND protected them against the gutshot/FD on the turn. Nothing else you could do. BB wouldn't even be right to hang in with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], so he's the latest addition to your buddy list and you just have to deal with a "bad" beat.

I presume you lost. What'd he have?

shadow29 · #6 05-08-2005, 04:33 PM

Nice hand, sir.

Ginso · #7 05-08-2005, 04:38 PM

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I would have played it exactly as you did. No reason to let it go at the end, I don't think. but i'm still new!

free=good · #8 05-08-2005, 05:33 PM

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BB wouldn't even be right to hang in with 34, so he's the latest addition to your buddy list

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He had 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], and yes he is now on my buddy list.

Thanks to all, nice to be reassured every once in awhile that i'm not crazy stupid (maybe just mildly retarded).

xenthebrain · #9 05-08-2005, 05:38 PM

You played it fine.
Easy value-bet on the river, don't even think about folding.

Nick C · #10 05-08-2005, 06:46 PM

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Don't change a thing. You played your aces fast, AND protected them against the gutshot/FD on the turn. Nothing else you could do. BB wouldn't even be right to hang in with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] . . .

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Just for the record, if I had 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], there's no way I would fold it on the turn, and in fact I think doing so would be a big mistake.

If I was still in the hand, I wouldn't fold the actual 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on the turn either, thinking there's some chance I have the best hand and the PFR just has overcards, and I most likely have 9 full outs if I'm behind.

I would have folded 43s preflop, though, versus just one player who raised UTG and another who's already all-in.