5/10 NL; Middle set, passive

[Prevaricator]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Button ($1000)
SB ($2109.5)
BB ($491.75)
UTG ($929.75)
MP ($903.75)
Hero ($1101.75)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls $10, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $35</font>, Hero calls $35, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) calls $30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $25.

Flop: ($150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $80</font>, Hero calls $80, SB calls $80, UTG calls $80.

Turn: ($470) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($470) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $50</font>, MP calls $50, Hero calls $50.

Final Pot: $620

PFR is okay, I am not sure if he is a winner in these games though, hes very loose - VP$IP 38, but PFR only 13. A bit loose pf, but he isn't a wacko postflop. UTG is a new player in this game, no read.

I really think I should have raised the flop, but then again, the only draw is 6x, and hands with a 6 are 66, 56s, or 67 (has me beat), I dont know what a raise does here on the other hand...

[theBruiser500]

raise the flop. on the river i feel you can get more value, $100

[captZEEbo1]

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raise the flop. on the river i feel you can get more value, $100

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Are you advocating he min raises on the river last to act then? What are you saying?

[imperious]

If it was me playing and somehow got to the river this way (ie no flop raise) then I'd be scratching my head trying to work out what happened in this hand [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

MP looks like an overpair (QQ?) to me trying to get a cheap showdown and unless UTG is trying to get raised on the river I can't see a 6 or better hand being played this way.
My guess for UTG would be AJs.

Therefore I'd have to (almost) agree with Bruiser and make it $150 on the river. I can't see you getting raised by either opponent here either and at least one of them should call.

[Prevaricator]

Why should they call? What about the flop play, I think thats the biggest thing here, and also MP could be value betting a 6, or overset that gives me concern not to call. I think the flop play is the most debatable, and I was going for flop overcalls and praying the board paired. Me raising the flop I; thought they would put me on a big hand and give me credit.

[imperious]

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Why should they call?

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Pot size. Maybe 100 is better?

Can you put either of them on a hand, especially a hand that bets 50 into a 470 pot on the river and gets flat called by the PFR? Doesn't seem like a value bet to me, seems like he thinks TPTK might be good, as MP may think an OP might be good because no one has shown any strength anywhere in the hand.

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Me raising the flop I; thought they would put me on a big hand and give me credit.

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The flop is definitely debatable - I raise most of the time here in LP but then the hand wouldn't play out the same way and I wouldn't say raise the river.

[-Skeme-]

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I really think I should have raised the flop, but then again, the only draw is 6x, and hands with a 6 are 66, 56s, or 67 (has me beat), I dont know what a raise does here on the other hand...

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Nobody can have Ax and make a wheel with a Deuce?

[spoohunter]

Make it $200 on the flop. Hope MP has aces and reraises.

[theBruiser500]

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raise the flop. on the river i feel you can get more value, $100

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Are you advocating he min raises on the river last to act then? What are you saying?

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sorry misread hand