Could This Be Avoided?

MixedNuts · #1 05-05-2005, 10:50 PM

Here is a recent hand that i lost my ass in. Was I crazy or just in the WPWT. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($48)
MP3 ($52.17)
CO ($57.9)
Button :#A500AF(TheLeprachaun)/ ($49.25)
SB ($50.7)
BB ($51.45)
UTG :#A500AF(DairyCow)/ ($69.95)
UTG+1 ($24.48)
UTG+2 ($22.15)
MP1 ($133)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG :#A500AF(DairyCow)/ raises to $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Button :#A500AF(TheLeprachaun)/ calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($6.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB checks, DairyCow bets $8, Hero calls $8, MP3 folds, CO folds, TheLeprachaun raises to $25, BB folds, DairyCow calls $17, Hero calls $17.

Turn: ($81.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
DairyCow checks, Hero checks, TheLeprachaun calls $23.25 (All-In), DairyCow calls $23.25, Hero calls $22 (All-In).

River: ($149.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $149.75

Results in white below: 
DairyCow has Ac Ah (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Ad 6d (two pair, queens and sixes).
TheLeprachaun has 9c 8c (straight, ten high).
Outcome: TheLeprachaun wins $149.75. 

Opinons?

Leaky Game · #2 05-05-2005, 11:09 PM

Yes, fold preflop. Without knowing anything about your opponents, someone who raises UTG generally has a solid hand. Calling a raise in a full ring here, imho, is a bad move. At best you flop a flush, which they'll will likely be little action on. Otherwise you get 2 diamonds and this is what happens. You hit an ace and you've got an awful kicker. This is not the type of hand you want to play oop because exactly this can happen, a big reraise behind you.

Just my two cents.

CHiPS · #3 05-05-2005, 11:47 PM

Fold Preflop.
Post flop is OK. If you had hit your flush you would have tripled your money.
Dan Harrington's new book covers the topic of what to call a raise with pre-flop.

DoubleDown · #4 05-05-2005, 11:49 PM

This is a nice flop for your hand ... I would raise the flop ... after getting re-raised I'd push it all-in ... you are at a coin flop to most hands here (except a flopped set)

FWIW: I think the PF call is fine given stack sizes (esp if you think more players will call this PFR given their previous play at the table)

nietzreznor · #5 05-06-2005, 12:16 AM

Well, it partly depends on what you think your opponents have--as long as you don't put them on a set, you should be happy to get all-in on the flop (Against villains' actual holdings, you have the most equity).

I guess I'm not sure why you would just call here--I think villain with AA is more likely to get it in on flop then on turn when a scare card hits. What does villain do with overpair if you push flop?