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05-04-2005, 11:02 AM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
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I hate these hands where everything goes fine, until you see the pot gliding the wrong way! [/ QUOTE ] Sad, but true. Any time I'm not raised and called down I figure I'm winning the hand. Not always the case. Back on topic: while this is odd, it certainly can't be the weirdest Party 15 hand anyone has seen ... I've only been in that game for a few months and it's madness sometimes (often? always?). Barron Vangor Toth www.BarronVangorToth.com 
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#13
05-04-2005, 12:04 PM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] that's a pretty good read by queens to save a bet, but really the best play is by the straight, which induced you to keep betting. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but he closed the action on the river with the NUTS! It's not like a raise here is gonna cost you any bets... [/ QUOTE ] It's an image play. If he won't raise this... imagine how quickly you fold when he DOES raise. [/ QUOTE ] Well if he's not gonna raise the nuts I'm probably more likely to call a raise later on thinking it's more of a bluff or semi-bluff. I don't think it's much of an image play, I don't raise with the nuts so next time I do raise I must have the nuts? I don't see it, but you more than likely have more experience than I, so I will defer to you that this is a good play... One thing I could see is that check/calling the nuts down in this case will make it less likely that someone will bet after you check on straight/flush board like this one in the future, and thus you could get to draw out more often or save some bets getting to showdown with a 2nd best hand...
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#14
05-04-2005, 01:17 PM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] that's a pretty good read by queens to save a bet, but really the best play is by the straight, which induced you to keep betting. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but he closed the action on the river with the NUTS! It's not like a raise here is gonna cost you any bets... [/ QUOTE ] It's an image play. If he won't raise this... imagine how quickly you fold when he DOES raise. [/ QUOTE ] Well if he's not gonna raise the nuts I'm probably more likely to call a raise later on thinking it's more of a bluff or semi-bluff. I don't think it's much of an image play, I don't raise with the nuts so next time I do raise I must have the nuts? I don't see it, but you more than likely have more experience than I, so I will defer to you that this is a good play... One thing I could see is that check/calling the nuts down in this case will make it less likely that someone will bet after you check on straight/flush board like this one in the future, and thus you could get to draw out more often or save some bets getting to showdown with a 2nd best hand... [/ QUOTE ] It was a joke implying he'd need something stronger than the nuts to raise.
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#15
05-04-2005, 01:21 PM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
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One thing I could see is that check/calling the nuts down in this case will make it less likely that someone will bet after you check on straight/flush board like this one in the future, and thus you could get to draw out more often or save some bets getting to showdown with a 2nd best hand... [/ QUOTE ] Playing against a Nut-Caller makes it easier to go for the value bet on the end. If I know I'm never facing a chk-raise I'm only offering my opponent 1-1 instead of 2-1 on my bet.
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#16
05-04-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
these guy play like donks.. it's horrible.
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#18
05-04-2005, 03:09 PM
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Re: The worst played 15-30 hand I have ever seen
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] that's a pretty good read by queens to save a bet, but really the best play is by the straight, which induced you to keep betting. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but he closed the action on the river with the NUTS! It's not like a raise here is gonna cost you any bets... [/ QUOTE ] It's an image play. If he won't raise this... imagine how quickly you fold when he DOES raise. [/ QUOTE ] Well if he's not gonna raise the nuts I'm probably more likely to call a raise later on thinking it's more of a bluff or semi-bluff. I don't think it's much of an image play, I don't raise with the nuts so next time I do raise I must have the nuts? I don't see it, but you more than likely have more experience than I, so I will defer to you that this is a good play... One thing I could see is that check/calling the nuts down in this case will make it less likely that someone will bet after you check on straight/flush board like this one in the future, and thus you could get to draw out more often or save some bets getting to showdown with a 2nd best hand... [/ QUOTE ] It was a joke implying he'd need something stronger than the nuts to raise. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I need to work on the sense of humour part of my game! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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