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#81
05-02-2005, 08:12 PM
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Re: Furiosa
After Cermis, where the US pilot murdered 40 ski tourists playing a game going under a cable car cable, and not surprisingly cocking it up (no Iceman), squashing all the occupants, then having the Americans destroy the video evidence, fly the murderers out of the country within hours, it's hardly surprising the Italians are sceptical of another "independent" Us inquiry. As a foreigner in Italy, what I do find surprising is the very heartfelt debt Italians feel towards America for their liberation in 1943, but this is rapidly being replaced with a feeling that America, unlike Europe, has not learnt significantly from previous wars and are acting under poorly educated and informed politcians who are creating significant damage, not only in physical terms but also long lasting political terms.
Everyone here feels that debts owed to the US have been paid and that any further involvement of Italy with the US will be purely through NATO or the UN. They haven't appreciated the dishonesty displayed in this recent cock up. 
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#82
05-02-2005, 08:18 PM
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Take 10 deep breaths.
I am not sure why you are coming unhinged over this particular incident but you are really stretching. BVCP showed with bold lettering the pertinent passages in the Italian report. You make various claims about the fitness, training, and mindset of American troops, things which you are in no position to be able to evaluate. You also make various claims about the American aide cited and yet it is clear to me that you have no clear idea of what sort of relationship this term implies (and yes it does imply a certain sort of relationship.) You are willfullly misintepreting things that BCVP has written, e.g., the picture he posted and his reasons for doing so. Perhaps a good night's sleep will clear your mind and allow you to think rationally again.
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#83
05-02-2005, 08:20 PM
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Re: Furiosa
Furthermore, whilst I'm in the mood. How confident are you of the sophistication of the US military, with their satellites etc, who then post the report on the internet in such a way that by simply copying and pasting you remove all the blacked out sections revealing all the embarrassing details and contradictions, plus the names of the kids who killed the agent. Now, becuse of another US cock-up, those kids, Lozano and the Capt, will never be able to visit the wonderful Italian cities of Rome, Florence, Milan etc, without being arrested for manslaughter at the boder. That's really not fair on them - it's not their fault they shot up some car (containing a woman) in the dark - they were terrified.
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#84
05-02-2005, 08:34 PM
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Re: Shoot first, check the bodies later
I don't believe any of this. Care to back this up?
Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Italians would have a far better chance of surviving if that had been a British roadblock. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Only if those British troops didn't care for their safety. You'll find that the British troops are in fact more highly trained that the US troops, as is also the case for our professional troops. The annual special services competition has been won by either the SAS or SBS for the past 15 years, with Navy Seals, and other country special forces trailing well behind.
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#85
05-02-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: Another college Republican who knows everything
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I am very confused as to why the Italians were driving at 60 mph towards a military checkpoint and refused to respond to signals given by the Americans. [/ QUOTE ] Unfortnately, this information has been provided only by one source, and the alleged satellite supporting data has not been provided to the Italians despite their request. I wonder why? The testimonies of the soldiers at the checkpoint is also contradictory, despite having been coached by a senior military official. The checkpoint was not a checkpoint (it was a temporary road block) and should not have been there had US communications been better. This all reflects the US policy of never admitting guilt for their mistakes - take Vietnam Agent Orange compensation claims, the My Lai massacre, and the Ro-Denigra massacre in Korea in 1956 as further evidence of this policy, which to a certain extent is understandable. However, this should be dependent on having well trained, experienced soldiers on the ground, not National Guard kids trying to save some money.
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#86
05-02-2005, 08:51 PM
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Re: Shoot first, check the bodies later
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You'll find that the British troops are in fact more highly trained that the US troops, as is also the case for our professional troops. The annual special services competition has been won by either the SAS or SBS for the past 15 years, with Navy Seals, and other country special forces trailing well behind. [/ QUOTE ] This does not show how the British would have reacted differently to a speeding car towards their roadblock.
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#87
05-02-2005, 08:56 PM
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Re: Shoot first, check the bodies later
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You'll find that the British troops are in fact more highly trained that the US troops, as is also the case for our professional troops. [/ QUOTE ] Get real. Seriously, do you really believe that? American military training is widely regarded as the model worldwide. [ QUOTE ] The annual special services competition has been won by either the SAS or SBS for the past 15 years, with Navy Seals, and other country special forces trailing well behind. [/ QUOTE ] Link? BTW, even if this true, the point doesnt stand up. The training of conventional forces and Special Forces is quite different and their missions are quite different. Using the results of some international competition has no bearing on the training of conventional forces manning a checkpoint.
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#88
05-03-2005, 12:14 AM
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Re: P.S. About a thousand children dying
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[ QUOTE ] It is not the world's job to provide food/medicine to the Iraqis. That is Saddam's responsibility as the leader of his country. [/ QUOTE ] Perhaps you have heard about a thing called "sanctions" ? It was a little something that prevented food and medicine arriving feeely to Iraq. (It amplifed corruption and abuse, by the way.) Human rights agencies have repeatedly denounced the inhumanity of that particular American action and demanded that the sanctions on medicine and other necessities be eased or lifted outright. They cited thousands of cases of Iraqi children dying as a result of those actions. (Need the hankie now?) But why worry? You are a Republican, this was done during Bill Clinton's watch, should be easy to dismiss the whole thing as a liberal mistake, no doubt. [/ QUOTE ] Cyrus As you know the oilf for food program was put into place by the UN the give food and nedicine to iraqi woman and children. Instead the UN and saddam pocketed the money. Don't blmae sanctions for doing what your precious UN did.
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#89
05-03-2005, 12:16 AM
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Re: Sgrena Lied
Stop when you see a US checkpoint and you live.
Don't and you die.
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#90
05-03-2005, 01:26 AM
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Where\'s The Beef, Cyrus???
Cyrus, you still have not, despite repeated requests, offered one shred of evidence that the following assertion you made actually occurred:
Cyrus: "When the American tanks first rolled into Baghdad, Iraqi civilians who found themselves in their general path, unarmed men on the sidewalk, women raising their hands in the universal symbol of surrendering, children peeping out of a door, even dogs, were cut down where they stood by "precautionary fire". A wave of metal thunder, indeed." Still waiting for some evidence of the above...
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