How are these ROI's and ITM's? Are these average or good? - Page 3

Nottom · #21 05-02-2005, 12:44 AM

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Man, whats with you guys on here? You guys have to attack anyone that asks any questions? First off, $150k isn't even close to right, i know on the 1000's i'm up a little over $12,000 or so it says, you forget the $50k+ in buyins alone for the 1000's. I didn't know that asking would be such a big deal, i never said I was better than anyone or was bragging about anything. I merely saw the posts on full contact and thought maybe there were a lot of people doing was better and thought i'd ask.

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Well maybe I exagerated, but you are claiming at least $50K in winnings here.

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For $200 SNG I have approx 200 played and have 55% for ROI and 52% ITM

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This would indicate you made 200*($215*.55) = $23,650 at the 200s.

You have another $10K or so at the 100s and another $12K or so at the $1000s

Anyone who is claiming they can win 70% is high.

bobaloo23 · #22 05-02-2005, 12:45 AM

Where do you guys get your numbers from? I haven't played that many SNG's compared to most people that play them all the time. The numbers are over the last 3 and a half months or so and I'm up $45k or so from SNG's. I didn't expect these numbers to last and thought they were good until I saw full contact.

As for prophecy, they don't even record half the games, but last time I looked I was at about 45% wins for $200 and 40% or so for $100's, and it didn't have even half of my games. My $1000 on there was only 30% or so, not sure if it's because they don't count 4th like pokertracker does? And like I said my $50 and under are terrible, partly because I let my girlfriend play some of the lower ones because on the steps they give you a lot of stupid step 1's and 2's for prizes. Thanks for the help anyways, I guess my numbers are either fake or i'm playing way over my head and my numbers are totally unrealistic. Either way doesn't really matter to you guys I guess as long as you can insult someone new and make yourself feel better. That's not intended for the guys who actually took the time for an honest answer.

THanks

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What you dont have the common sense to see that youll make about 1 million dollars a year with those numbers, and then you come and ask whether they are good? Cmon man, get serious.

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raptor517 · #23 05-02-2005, 12:50 AM

damn dude, with those numbers, i would make more than 3 milloin a year. playing half as much as i do. i wish i was rich. holla

Nottom · #24 05-02-2005, 12:50 AM

This is why people are flaming you.

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The numbers are over the last 3 and a half months or so and I'm up $45k or so from SNG's

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You're making $15K/month and asking if that's good? Think about that for a sec.

Your either bragging, lieing, or stupid and people just don't want to deal with any of that.

gumpzilla · #25 05-02-2005, 12:51 AM

I'll bite on what is very likely a troll.

Anybody over at fullcontact that tells you that you should be able to cash 70% of the time at a full-handed Party SNG is full of crap. Posters here who have demonstrated a strong understanding of how to play poker - something which you can discern from reading their messages on this board - probably can't (or if they can, just barely) maintain a 40% ITM rate at the limits you're talking about. 50% at a 10 handed table is unrealistic long term probably even for the low level tables.

Thus, since your numbers are so much higher than anything that other people are reporting, you're going to receive tons of skepticism. curtains also raises the valid point that any player who plays well enough to crush these games that badly, given the strength of the players playing there, should have a pretty good sense for what's possible. Thus, your claims look really, really false.

zaphod · #26 05-02-2005, 12:53 AM

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Thanks for the kind words. Actually the reason I asked is because I just started using poker tracker and that is where I got the numbers from. I figured because my $200 and $100's were so similar that the numbers were a pretty good indicator, but thats why i am asking. And I didn't say I didn't know if 50% is good or not, I asked how it was compared to others, as in is it average or better and how good it was.

I brought it up because I thought the numbers were good then I was reading a link to fullcontactpoker earlier and there was a thread there saying 85% winning should be attainable for a good player, than someone said 70% was more realistic and i'm nowhere near there. It was all over the board over there but most thought at least 60% if you were good, so then I thought I was below average. I also said I know that sample sizes weren't great and that I didn't play that many. I don't post much here because of the responses like curtains, but thanks to the people who gave an honest answer.

For the person asking how many first and so on, i don't have pokertracker on this PC but when i get home I can find out.
Off the top of my head i'm around 30 1st ,20 2nd, and 30 3rd give or take a couple for the $100's, and around 32,45,32 for $200's, it was definitely more skewed to 2nd and was low 30's for 1st and 3rd. And for the 1000's I'm pretty sure i'm 8 1st, 6 second and 4 3rd. I don't know 4th for the 1000's as pokertracker only shows 3 spots. Also, maybe 10% or so of the $200's and $100's were various steps so once we got down to the required 3 people or 2 depending on the step it was all in so a few might be wins or 2nd or 3rds and not 100% accurate.

Thanks for any honest replies and help.

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I answer your question with another question:

What would the average ROI be if Partypoker were having zero rake?

Then i guess you can figure out yourself if your ROI are average or not.

raptor517 · #27 05-02-2005, 12:58 AM

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What would the average ROI be if Partypoker were having zero rake?

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if that were the case, quite a few people's rois would more than double. holla

bobaloo23 · #28 05-02-2005, 01:05 AM

Also, I export results every month or so and here is my last text file from pokertracker for the $1000 SNG after 25 games. This shows my 1st through 4th better too for the person that asked. Not sure how clear this will show up.

place tot_finishes %total paid won net
1 4 16.0000 4260.0000 18000.0000 13740.0000
2 3 12.0000 3195.0000 7500.0000 4305.0000
3 2 8.0000 2130.0000 3600.0000 1470.0000
4 3 12.0000 3195.0000 3600.0000 405.0000
5 3 12.0000 3195.0000 0 -3195.0000
6 2 8.0000 2130.0000 0 -2130.0000
7 2 8.0000 2130.0000 0 -2130.0000
8 4 16.0000 4275.0000 0 -4275.0000
9 2 8.0000 2130.0000 0 -2130.0000

bobaloo23 · #29 05-02-2005, 01:10 AM

Maybe things were worded wrong by me in the first post but I wasn't asking if this was good as obviously i'm very happy with it. What I was asking is were they good in comparison to others as full contact made it seem like way more was better. I just thought I was running good and didn't expect to keep this up that long, that was the whole reason of the post. Call me a troll or whatever else you need to do. Didn't think this would cause this much trouble.

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This is why people are flaming you.

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The numbers are over the last 3 and a half months or so and I'm up $45k or so from SNG's

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You're making $15K/month and asking if that's good? Think about that for a sec.

Your either bragging, lieing, or stupid and people just don't want to deal with any of that.

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Blarg · #30 05-02-2005, 01:19 AM

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damn dude, with those numbers, i would make more than 3 milloin a year. playing half as much as i do. i wish i was rich. holla

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No you wouldn't. You'd lose it playing on the X-box or whatever. heheheh [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]