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another under boat discussion
I was reading through this thread but I don't know how well it applies to my situation (3-way, not heads up), so I thought I'd ask you guys about it. Per usual, my thoughts are included and meant to be ridiculed.
Reads: I was sitting at a very aggressive table -- BB was extremely tight (I didn't see him play more than one or two hands). Button was fairly new to the table, and was limping/calling 2 cold about 60% of the time despite the fact that there was a ton of preflop raising (5 or more hands raised preflop per orbit). The little voice in the back of my head was telling me that this was not a good table for me to be playing on, yet I refused to get up. Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, Button calls. ^^^ I think this is standard... I was expecting BB to fold and Button to call so I was kinda surprised to see them both call. Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Button calls. ^^^ If Button wants a chance to hit his boat, he's gonna pay for it. Had I been paying attention, I would've wondered why is BB still in this hand... instead I just kept throwing money in the pot. Turn: (7.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, BB calls, Button calls. ^^^ I'm not really sure what happened here. Nice little blank, I don't know why I went with the call-cap line. I think 3-betting is a better play here, although it looks like BB would've capped anyway. River: (19.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Button calls, Hero calls. ^^^ This is what confused me the most. BB can't possibly have J5 or J2, can he? And JT is extremely unlikely given this board... Final Pot: 25.50 BB Questions: * What should I have done on the turn? * Was just calling the river raise okay? * I think, given my reads, that it's possible to correctly put both of these players on hands. Care to guess? |
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Re: another under boat discussion
This is another one of those situations dude....
Don't bet the river unless you are willing to make it 3-bets! If he has JT he is going to raise you, and he will just call with all other hands (other then AJ maybe). I would have check/raised this river and called a 3-bet or capped depending on what the 3rd player did. Brad |
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Re: another under boat discussion
Interesting. I will give this a try. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Preflop standard. Flop. Looks like BB has a jack to me. Likely so does button, though any pair is possible here. Looks good to me. Turn. Interesting. From another seat, I imagine it looks like you bet out, raise made you realize your apparent overpair is no good so you called, then the cap, which says ha, I have a jack after all! I'm not sure I like this too much here though, because I think you'll get plenty of action anyway. It looks like they both made something. That raise from a very tight player is pretty scary. AJ or JT? hmm... River: I do this too. The raise on the river makes me think JT most of the time. Looks like I've got button beat though. I just call this raise. I am thinking button has underfull (22?) and BB has the feared JT. |
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Re: another under boat discussion
3-bet the river. Neither one has JJ, and if BB has J2 or something, then so be it.
The turn call is interesting. I think I would have just 3-bet the turn myself. I'm not slowing down when there's at least one person donating here. I suppose you were trying to smoothcall then checkraise the river? |
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results (aka spoiler warning)
BB had AJ -- had I thought about my reads (aka BB was VERY tight), I probably would have realized this is the only hand he defends his blind with that he plays this aggressively.
Button had J9 -- the cold-call on the river screams "trips with a weak kicker" I feel all results-oriented saying this, but the action on the river should tell me that I'm ahead (aka "I need to 3-bet"). My problem was that I didn't think of the implications of BB being so tight (in terms of what he could possibly hold) until I started writing this up -- I definitely need to think about these things during the hand as well. |
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