Talk me out of it

[The Yugoslavian]

It's not the advertising budget that you'd need....it's the PR and a miracle.

Seriously...

If one was to throw pure advertising $$ at PartyPoker et al. this late in the game....then you'd just be throwing almost all of it away. You need buzz and to differentiate yourself...in ways that advertising wouldn't be able to do.

This is why we need to offer scrippas for points....think of the PR you'd get!!!!

Yugoslav
Who is only 1/3 kidding...

[HoldingFolding]

The best way to think about this is too look at other industries and two spring to mind - Search Engines and Online Betting. The former was dominated by Yahoo! etc. the latter by major UK bookmakers and offshore based US sportsbooks. That domination was overcome by upstarts because of simple but innovative ideas - I'm thinking Google and Betfair.

Unfortunately, I don't think any of your ideas are innovative enough to displace the present industry leaders.

[The Yugoslavian]

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Unfortunately, I don't think any of your ideas are innovative enough to displace the present industry leaders.

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You obviously haven't been reading my posts in this thread.

SCRIPPAS!

I may be able to generate other brilliant (in my opinion) ideas but this will be the last free one.

Yugoslav

[david050173]

google doesn't require other people to use it to be sucessfull. That is what makes it harder. Notice how ebay crushed amazons auctions. Can a new competitor break in and displace party? Sure. But it isn't going to be an underfunded startup

[elonkra]

This is how you have to do it, if you're going to succeed, in my humble opinion. You research every site on the net. The specifics of every single one. Figure out what's annoying about every sight, what's missing, and whatever little thing they have that makes them better than everyone else in that one small regard (it might be something small in their appearance or ease of game play), even though the rest of the site my suck all to hell. Know al of the sites so well that you can set up a site that literally has everything the others have, plus whatever unique ideas you have to offer. Start a complaints thread on the internet gambling forum and offer money for ideas. You're not going to have the cash to advertise like the big dogs, as others have mentioned. So you're going to have to do this somewhat slowly. But not too slowly, or it won't work. You're going to have to have some sort of grassroots online advertising campaign. Hire an advertising firm if you can afford it, and plan to unleash a crapload of catch banner ads, all at once, to get yourself kicked off. Research how other startups got their initial influx of players, if this sounds like it won't work (I know nothing about the effectiveness or cost of massive banner advertising, but there's gotta be something to it, and it's gotta be relatively cheap). Whatever the case, you're gonna have to figure out some grassroots Howard Dean-style way to advertise to make it work. And as others have pointed out, you'll have to truly be able to separate yourself from the others with ideas.

Anyway, those are my intoxicated thoughts on the subject.

[The Student]

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Unfortunately, I don't think any of your ideas are innovative enough to displace the present industry leaders.

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You obviously haven't been reading my posts in this thread.

SCRIPPAS!

I may be able to generate other brilliant (in my opinion) ideas but this will be the last free one.

Yugoslav

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Since I tend to just give away my rakeback at the tables anyway, getting coupons for scrippas (would that be scrippa scrip?) would be very EV+ for me. Now if you can just advance me some of these coupons today, I'll gladly pay you back next Wednesday...

ts-

[Cheeseweasel]

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I want to start my own poker site.

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This, by far, is the most intelligent comment that I've seen on the 2+2 forums.

You might also consider this:

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[stupidsucker]

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Unfortunately, I don't think any of your ideas are innovative enough to displace the present industry leaders.

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You havent heard any of my ideas really. I dont need anyones advice on if my ideas are good enough. I already know I can blow away the compitition in every category important except...... the only one that matters...players (because this can only come with time)

The problem doesnt end with
better software (easy)
better support(easy, but costly)
better rake program (extremly easy)


The main question is.... do people have an attachment to party/skins for any other reason then the fish?


Here is one simple inovated idea that almost everyone can get behind..Optional bad word filter. If your old enough to gamble then your old enough to see the word [censored] typed out. If you want the filter on then turn it on. Call it trite, but people care about trite things. Its part of being a people.

For those of you that are saying that the common fish doesnt look at rake then I think you are wrong. Fish dont return to poker because they go broke. They blame it on bad luck, house rake, and cheaters. I dont really want to go into the dep thoughts of how reduced rake effects the econmy of the site, but its kinda like taxes. The main idea is, the money they save on rake they are just going to spend on poker anyways. This may sound cruel, but losing players are needed to fund a healthy econmy. They are the most important player at the table. These are the people that NEED to be catered to the most. Every poker site would flourish much better without sharks in there taking away fish money.