Questionable limp, overbet flop, weak-tight fold

[wuwei]

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66-77, 5x, 46, two clubs??

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The qualifier of "decent" is important. Do you think a decent player plays those hands that way? If I'm playing with those hands out of position, my raise would be much stronger. Actually, I would never c/r with those hands - I'd lead it out. If I'm including those hands in the range I think he plays this way, then I like a push.

However, I am open to the idea that I'm getting outplayed in a situation like this (see downlow's post). I agree with the idea that overbetting the pot asks to be played back at more than a standards 3/4 pot bet. If it were me, I would have fired 75ish on the flop.

[Scuba Chuck]

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I agree with the idea that overbetting the pot asks to be played back at more

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Those damn $55ers.

[The Yugoslavian]

I think you should bet smaller at this and control the pot. You want to get to showdown cheaply....I don't see the wisdom in trying to make the pot big enough to just push on the turn [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]. If I had like QQ-AA I'd want to do that but not with 88 on this board.

I'd bet ~65 on this flop most likely. I feel it will be profitable and for value. I don't want to invest much more here with this hand on this flop. In fact, I don't mind checking behind and seeing how they play the turn.

Yugoslav

[Scuba Chuck]

<font color="blue"> I felt bad the whole time this was happening. But the meta-game is oh so fun. </font> [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

#Game No : 1968415349
***** Hand History for Game 1968415349 *****
NL Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:11730187 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, April 28, 20:32:28 EDT 2005
Table Table 12951 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: uastudent ( $1195 )
Seat 5: spot6565 ( $925 )
Seat 6: SteelerChris ( $810 )
Seat 7: Bondboyd ( $75 )
Seat 8: SCUBA CHUCK( $940 )
Seat 2: WSUbobcat ( $1025 )
Seat 4: rock10 ( $2000 )
Seat 10: ILIKPUSS ( $985 )
Seat 9: NEGATIVE EV ( $970 )
Seat 3: husker8699 ( $1075 )
Trny:11730187 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SCUBA CHUCK[ Js Ac ]
ILIKPUSS folds.
uastudent calls [30].
WSUbobcat folds.
husker8699 folds.
&gt;You have options at Table 12378 Table!.
rock10 folds.
spot6565 folds.
SteelerChris folds.
Bondboyd folds.
SCUBA CHUCKcalls [15].
NEGATIVE EV checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, As, 9s ]
&gt;You have options at Table 11775 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCKchecks.
NEGATIVE EV bets [75].
uastudent folds.
<font color="blue"> Does this move look familiar? </font>
SCUBA CHUCKraises [150].
NEGATIVE EV is all-In [865]
<font color="blue"> uh-oh, I either set him up, or I'm in trouble </font>
&gt;You have options at Table 11899 Table!.
&gt;You have options at Table 11899 Table!.
SCUBA CHUCK: someone's gonna be pissed
SCUBA CHUCKis all-In [760]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
SCUBA CHUCKshows [ Js, Ac ] two pairs, aces and nines.
NEGATIVE EV shows [ Ad, 6d ] two pairs, aces and nines.
NEGATIVE EV wins 30 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and nines.
SCUBA CHUCKwins 1910 chips from the main pot with two pairs, aces and nines with jack kicker.
Game #1968421385 starts.

[The Yugoslavian]

I think Negative EV is playing in a -$EV manner right here...meta-game or no.

Yugoslav

[Irieguy]

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I feel like a 60-75 bet by me on this flop encourages blinds to make a move. I feel like when I bet the 110, the blinds will make a move less often and will actually have the goods when they pop me back. Like I said, I could be wrong.....

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Wow, negativeEV... I've never seen you write something before that's this far off.

You have it exactly backwards.

Irieguy