Misplayed KK?

PukaPlaya · #1 04-28-2005, 01:25 AM

Pretty aggressive table. Min or 3x raise usually gets reraised. BB has taken a few pots without a showdown by firing out a nice bet on the flop which has helped build her stack.

What do you do here? As a qualifier I had nearly the same thing come up last night with AA. 3x the BB UTG, multiple callers. My real question is, Do you fold or raise/call the BB bet? Also with so many larger stacks should I have raised a bit more preflop? I wanted action but not that much...

Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (10 handed) converter

MP3 (t11150)
CO (t7050)
Button (t16905)
SB (t2275)
BB (t13950)
Hero (t5500)
UTG+1 (t4615)
UTG+2 (t1125)
MP1 (t4000)
MP2 (t7380)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB posts a blind of t200.
Hero raises to t600, 3 folds, MP2 calls t600, MP3 calls t600, 2 folds, SB (poster) calls t500, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t3000) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t3500, Hero raises to t4900, (All-In) folds, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB calls t1400.

Turn: (t12800) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: (t12800) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

billyjex · #2 04-28-2005, 01:35 AM

Yeah, since you're in EP you might want to make it 800-1000 to keep it less multiway. But I'm getting all my chips in here on the flop.

betgo · #3 04-28-2005, 01:56 AM

What did your opponent flop? A straight, a set, a straight flush draw? Since you think you made a mistake, I guess you must have been behind on the flop.

I think you played it perfectly. You had to push on the flop. I think 3xBB is plenty UTG. You want action. Good players (what does that have to do with the situation) are going to fold anything but very big hands to a 5xBB UTG raise. If you think people are more likely to come over top of a limp or miniraise (and not be suspicious of either), do that.

PukaPlaya · #4 04-28-2005, 05:03 AM

Okay I guess this was pegged as a bad beat post...

It really wasn't but here are the results anyway.

Villain had 68c and made a straight on the flop. I figure I should have raised 5X the BB preflop which probably would have pushed her out. Her bet seemed to me like an overpair or flush draw and I paid for my misread. Wondering still if any of the more experienced players see fault in my play or analysis.

As I said in the OP, nearly the same scenario came up with AA last night and I am smarting from these two hands as they ended my life in both of the tourneys I was playing.

Rushmore · #5 04-28-2005, 10:16 AM

You go out of your way to tell us that "mini-raises and 3 times bb raises are getting reraised every time," and then you post that you played the hand perfectly preflop under these circumstances (hoping for a reraise, obviously), and then you ask if you did something wrong.

I'm sure you are clear on the fact that you don't want 68 to fold, so why say that maybe a bigger raise would have knocked her out? Next time you want NO CALLERS with KK from utg, just go ahead and push instead.

Blecch. Bad beat story.