TT against overcard flop

rabman · #1 04-27-2005, 12:54 AM

UTG+2 is LP after 13 hands (69/0)
MP1 has the dice icon
CO is LP after 5 hands (60/0) also short stacked ($9.46)
Button is LA after 47 hands (70/13)

This is a good table for me, but I always have trouble with TT against an overcard flop. When do I turn on the aggression and when do I cut my losses?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls, Button caps, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, CO calls.

The button capping makes me think he has AK at the worst, but probably a big PP.

Flop: (20.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero bets, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Button raises, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

I bet out the flop here to see where I stand. The raise by the villian tells me he paired it up or the K doesn't scare him. Called to see the turn with the thought that I'd fold UI.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn didn't help me or anyone that I could see. So check/fold was my line. Does anyone see another way to play this?

River: (17.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, Button bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 18.25 BB

coach · #2 04-27-2005, 12:58 AM

I fold the flop or reraise.

rabman · #3 04-27-2005, 01:00 AM

Another question. Do you bet the flop?

milesdyson · #4 04-27-2005, 01:02 AM

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I fold the flop or reraise.

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So you choose between the two worst options.

FWIW I hate betting this flop.

NickRegino · #5 04-27-2005, 02:06 AM

ok since you bet out the flop, you obviously called, well if you didn't improve on the turn i would have folded there, bet/raising for info is expensive but it's best to do it on the flop since it is cheap there.

@bsolute_luck · #6 04-27-2005, 09:41 AM

my 2 thoughts/questions:

1. c/r the flop.
2. call flop. fold turn UI.

not sure which one would be best, but just a thought.

Dunno · #7 04-27-2005, 10:25 AM

Yes u have to bet the flop here but you could fold to the raise on the flop but sure u have to bet out!

ArturiusX · #8 04-27-2005, 10:59 AM

I'd feel bad betting this flop. Dangerous stuff.

I'd check and see what happens, hopefuly an excuse to get away from this hand.

ajrenni · #9 04-27-2005, 10:59 AM

Even though you don't have the odds to call a 2-outer on the turn, I think this is where the "keep drawing in a big pot" rule applies. You are almost definitely behind to a pair of aces, kings, or queens, and you may even be drawing dead to a set of kings, but once the pot gets that big, if there is any chance of winning it, you should hang in there, especially if you are up against a LAG.

Buckmulligan · #10 04-27-2005, 11:03 AM

That flop is bleak, IMO. I would check with the intention of folding, unless the Button bets, in which case I would reevaluate and consider raising. You are behind to most hands on this flop.