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Old 04-25-2005, 09:54 PM
tjh tjh is offline
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

Just to muddy the waters...

I would say that some players may be naturally predisposed to play a better game at a certain level. Assuming that each level plays different and each person has different strengths then one person may find the 100's easier than the 11's.

For example, I can naturally beat the UB 11's, no stunning ROI or anything but my bankroll does grow. I can not naturally beat the party SNG's. Sure I could learn, sure the fish are all as fishy at either site. The play is different though.. deep stacks vs small stacks fast escalation vs slow escalation.

My point is that I am naturally suited to the UB structure. As you move up the buy-ins different skills come into play and different styles of play are rewarded. Stealing the blinds is an advanced play to some $5 fish, I have seen some aggressive noobies temporarilly rule an expensive table. The wild play put the sharks on edge, they simply had forgotten how to handle a foolish maniac, or they were biding there time to take him down, who knows.

Same goes for the higher buy-ins. Some folks may find a higher buyin easier than a lower buy in. In general though I think the rule is higher==harder, ther are of course exceptions.

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Old 04-25-2005, 10:59 PM
FieryJustice FieryJustice is offline
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

Well, I must be honest with you people...I have not played many $33 sngs, but from what I have played, I know I am no good at them. I also know that I can kill the $215's. I dont know why this is but it really doensnt matter much to me as I never plan to play a $33 sng for the rest of my life.
I DO however think that once you hit a certain level, the differenct in difficulty of the games does not change all that much. If you look at the mini step 5's and compare them to the regular step 5's, most of the people will be the same. I'm sure that once the higher steps start running that ALL of the people that play in it will be regulars at the normal step 5's. I guess what I am trying to say is that the minis are not much harder than the regulars and then when the highers run, they will be virtually the same as the normal steps.
The $215's were. in my opinion basically the same as step 5's up until the minis came out. Now most of the people I tried to avoid in the 215's are playing the minis now. I only recgonize about 3 or 4 names now in every $215 I play whereas before i noticed about 6 or 7. When I take a look at the mini5's, I notice baiscally every name. I guess all the sharks moved up.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:01 PM
adanthar adanthar is offline
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

You know, that's really dumb for most people to do unless they also have rakeback at Party. But it sure works for me.

Hmm...I've got a $200-ready bankroll now...
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:12 PM
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

There is some truth to this in that some players are good enough to beat high limit poker but aren't good enough to adjust to certain types of game conditions that are rarely seen at the level they usually play.

The players who can't adjust to any type of structure or game setting are going to have problems when "their" game is no longer available, but they probably don'y care about that right now.




As for Jcards comments about the ministep5s softening up the 200s, there are some things that are better not being posted on a public forum, this is one of those.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:16 PM
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

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I don't know about SNGs, but there's a paradox I've heard from several places that the 1/2 games on Party are tougher than the 2/4...


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I believe this may be the case, but if it is it is almost entirely the result of the existance of 6-max games at 1/2 and none at 2/4. These games attract many of the action players which in turn tightens up the full games.
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Old 04-25-2005, 11:48 PM
FieryJustice FieryJustice is offline
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Default Re: Would you say there is a correlation.....

my bad..I will learn to beat the $33's and also to keep my mouth shut.
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Old 04-26-2005, 01:30 AM
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Default If anyone cares, here\'s why 1/2 is \"hard\"

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I don't know about SNGs, but there's a paradox I've heard from several places that the 1/2 games on Party are tougher than the 2/4...

You'd think, however, that the good players starting with smaller bankrolls would still move up eventually...

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"Harder" is a relative term.

As a veteran of the limit grind, I'll give my theory (supply your own grain of salt).

.5/1 is the lowest level on party. People who have no idea what they are doing play there, loose as a goose. Beginners who are true students of the game also begin there.

The typical person who learns the basics of playing limit poker learns how to play weak/tight, since it's so easy. Playing that way, you can destroy the .5/1. These players build a big BR and move up. The uber-fish never leave .5/1, since they just get the occasional suck-out and lose long-term to the better players (and in some cases, have no interest in moving up.)

So, the 1/2 becomes populated by weak/tight players who beat the loose fish, plus some tight/aggressive players as well and a few lucky fish. Now, weak/tight no longer works since everyone is playing that way. Only the better players that know how to play aggressive but back away from rocks that play back at them do well. Those players build a BR and move up to 2/4. OTOH, the weak/tighties don't lose much (since they're so tight), but have trouble getting anyone to pay them off (since everyone else is so tight). As a result, they're stuck in 1/2 land forever (or until they learn how to change up their game), hence, it's a rock garden.
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