Calling your hand incorrectly

[brick]

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they will let you get away with it a few times before warning/kicking you out (i think).

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I think this is an OK way to deal with players that are trying to angleshoot, but I perfer calling the hand dead.


Usually when I see a player trying to angleshoot it goes like this:
Angleshooter raises the turn and is called on the river by a new player. The angleshooter turns his cards over and says "Straight". Without thinking much the new player mucks.

Of couse the Angleshooter missed his straight and flush draw and really only has Q high.

In order to attract and retain new players, ALL cardrooms should enforce a rule that prevents players from calling their hand incorrectly.

[bernie]

I don't do it, but I think you should be able to miscall your hand. A large part of poker is deception. If some mope wants to believe you...

I think it stems from the same root argument against checkraising.

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[The Dude]

If a player does it while I'm at the table once, I will make a point to wait for him to turn over both cards before I show my hand. There shouldn't be a rule against it, since that would hurt people who have honestly misread their hand but still have the winner anyway. What the cardroom should do is have an open no-tolerance policy toward angle shooting, which is what the intentional mis-reader is doing. Dealers should be trained to spot this and take apporpriate actions.

[brick]

I'm amazed that 40% think mis-calling your own hand is totally fine.

Anyway, I've made my view totally clear to the mangement where I play. If this is acceptable behavior then I'm going to start doing it.
Thanks Bernie for encouraging me.


The Dude,
I agree that the intent is part of the equation. I indend to angle-shoot until they kick me out.

[bernie]

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I'm amazed that 40% think mis-calling your own hand is totally fine.

Anyway, I've made my view totally clear to the mangement where I play. If this is acceptable behavior then I'm going to start doing it.
Thanks Bernie for encouraging me

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Cardspeak. If someone wants to believe you with what you say, screw it. What's a stone bluff?

It doesn't matter the intent. Ethical is a better question, imo. I don't do this, but I don't fall for it either.

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[TomBrooks]

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i always make them turn their hand over before i turn mine over, if that is the order

[/ QUOTE ]There are so many players who get called on the river and want to see the other person's cards first that I may have to start using this as some sort of angle

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What is the prescribed order in which players show their hands - clockwise from the Small Blind, same as the betting order?

[edtost]

last aggressor shows first, then clockwise. some places start with the sb is the river checked through.

[ESCaspian]

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some places start with the sb is the river checked through.

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Do any do it differently? I think all the casinos in LA are this way.

[Trainwreck]

It is so immature and pathetic, I just table my hand immediately EVERY STINKING TIME.

Just slows the game down...

>TW<

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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It is so immature and pathetic, I just table my hand immediately EVERY STINKING TIME.

Just slows the game down...


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Information, information, information. If you have the right to see the other player's hand first, make him show. If you were bluffing on the end and know you can't win, hold back showing. There are obvious exceptions -- mostly when I don't want to piss off certain players or the table generally -- but tabling your hand immediately in a live game is a leak.